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Whilst your argument does indeed also seem very reasonable, my concern lies with where the line is crossed for me. To explain, I will stick with my country, but you are right about human nature, so I can't imagine it doesn't apply elsewhere.
There are people who are genuinely and understandably simply concerned for all the reasons you mentioned. But here, and I will narrow it down further and stick with England, to avoid hauling in the Welsh, Scots and Irish, because I am not there, we do have a bit of a blind spot. We aren't really good at differentiating people who don't have English as a first language or have different coloured skin, and some of us don't think about the difference between the family who have run the shop down the road for 20 years and the person who just came in on a lorry, so it isn't just illegals getting it in the neck.
The next issue is something I absolutely have first hand experience of. We believe what our media tells us. Scarborough, where I live now is a very English northern town. There's fewer different voices here than there were in Sark (though Sark is very 'white', there's a lot of Eastern Europeans in Sark, and the Channel Islands in general). In fact, so much is this the case that, hearing all the North Yorkshire voices, I, with my mix of west country and channel Islands twang, stick out like a sore thumb! (If you want to hear the Yorkshire accent, I can recommend googling the hilarious four Yorkshiremen sketch). Despite this I have heard people say Scarborough is so overrun with foreigners, you can barely hear an English accent. My mother, who has been here 20 years, said it. Now, she reads the daily mail, so she is saturated in the 'we are overrun' rhetoric. Her actual experience is tainted by what she is told is happening.
Now, to focus more on illegals. The thing I find appalling, and if it is human nature, I am deeply sad, isn't those who want governments to look at policies for managing illegal immigration, it's those who can look at another human being in trouble and respond with 'let them die'.
As you no doubt are aware, as an island nation, we get people coming by sea on open boats not fit for purpose. We have a voluntary body of men and women-the RNLI - who go out and rescue people in trouble in our waters. They are a non-profit, non-politic organisation who have been vilified for rescuing refugees in the sea. And I think that's despicable, that the attitude should be to leave them in a dangerous shipping channel. Doesn't matter who they are, what gender or why they are there, the are still human beings whose lives are in danger. Most of the people the RNLI rescue are in trouble because they chose to go out in rough weather, paddle board without a life-jacket, or whatever. We don't say, 'well, it's their own fault, leave them to their fate'. It reminds me of a quote from a novel I read, where the bad guy does terrible things, but one of the good guys also does terrible things, using the bad guy as his reason. I paraphrase the following quote, one good guy to the other: 'Do you know what I hate about bad guy?'. 'Yes, it's what he has done to...' 'No. It's what he has done to YOU'.
When we become the type of people who would watch other human beings who haven't come armed to the teeth, who haven't all come with the intent to conquer the land, rape loot and pillage, die of exposure and drowning before attempting rescue, what are we? Is that really humanity? Is the bar that low?
I agree, the problems need solving in these people's own countries. But given how powerless I feel to solve problems in my own country, which are minor in comparison, with all the rights and freedoms I have, how realistic is that, really?
There's a street in Richmond, quite a posh area of London, where occasionally, bodies drop from the sky. Why? It's the point of descent at which aircraft drop their landing gear for landing at Heathrow. Some poor bugger, so desperate to get here, hid in the undercarriage of the plane. Very few survive.
Like you, we worry here about room and money. We read lurid accounts of refugees housed in 5 star hotels getting the best of everything. Dig a bit deeper, and it's not quite as the papers make out, but we will take it as read for the moment. We are told our schools are full to bursting. In another article, we read the government is urging people to have children as schools in London are closing through lack of pupils. Hang on, but I thought...
As for money, there's an idea that these people are living it up on full benefits. They are illegal. As such, they get nothing of the kind. My brother's girlfriend is a Ukrainian refugee. You know, the ones we like, and we have all fallen over ourselves to help, because they are white and we don't like Putin. She got more as a legal refugee, but it was still bugger all and she certainly wasn't living a life of 5 star luxury. She is now working and trying to build up her non-existent credit rating. Funny thing is, my brother is very anti immigration, legal and illegal, is always moaning about the foreign voices where lives (it's true, Woking, near London, is very diverse), but in that curiously English way of compartmentalising, he differentiates between the one he likes and the rest. Who also could be someone's girlfriend...
So, ultimately, in conclusion to another long post: I get it. I get the legitimate concerns decent people have. But, like colonialism, it's more complex than that.



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