REBUTTAL to Smell the Stench
MY REBUTTAL85 total reviews
Comment from Paradox Tremors
I responded and respected her right to voice and give voice to her worries and concern. I rated her on the courage and the concept to voice her opinion as you do too. I give you both "5" for speaking what you believe and trusting and protecting the right of each other to speak out. Our country (USA) is founded on the freedom of expression--we don't have to agree but still, we respect the right of the others to speak freely. I respect you both, and I respond. I believe God is our savior and in his way, is looking out for us. Good will always win out. She has not responded to my thoughts and that's okay (I wasn't expecting one since I suggest change starts with one person and she should be the person to start if she/he felt that strongly about it). Please don't think I'm attacking or bashing you in anyway for what you wrote. This sort of thing happens every now and then and will continue to happen here on fanStory. Most of the time I bare and grin and let it slid, this time I just thought I make a suggestion (lol) to her/him. Oh well. I too was shock at the number of response and figure it was worth looking into myself. Please have a good day and I hope I didn't come across as bashing or being offensive to you or to the other for her/his write. Discussions and thoughts of ideas are what drive our country. Have a good and blessed write.
P.S. I like yours a lot better as it made more sense to me.
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I responded and respected her right to voice and give voice to her worries and concern. I rated her on the courage and the concept to voice her opinion as you do too. I give you both "5" for speaking what you believe and trusting and protecting the right of each other to speak out. Our country (USA) is founded on the freedom of expression--we don't have to agree but still, we respect the right of the others to speak freely. I respect you both, and I respond. I believe God is our savior and in his way, is looking out for us. Good will always win out. She has not responded to my thoughts and that's okay (I wasn't expecting one since I suggest change starts with one person and she should be the person to start if she/he felt that strongly about it). Please don't think I'm attacking or bashing you in anyway for what you wrote. This sort of thing happens every now and then and will continue to happen here on fanStory. Most of the time I bare and grin and let it slid, this time I just thought I make a suggestion (lol) to her/him. Oh well. I too was shock at the number of response and figure it was worth looking into myself. Please have a good day and I hope I didn't come across as bashing or being offensive to you or to the other for her/his write. Discussions and thoughts of ideas are what drive our country. Have a good and blessed write.
P.S. I like yours a lot better as it made more sense to me.
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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God bless you. I appreciate your thoughtful review.
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I hope I didn't come across wrong. I didn't realize my response was so long. Sorry.
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Not at all!
If in doubt read my responses on the VIEW RATING page, I mean n harm to anyone, but I will stand when someone behaves abusively and Razz's reponses to other members angered me enough to write my rebuttal.
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I would agree on that 100%. Nobody should behave like that. If someone is kind enough to read your post, you should be kind enough to respect the reviwer's opinion.
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Yes I have been disabled by FS saying that I am slandering another member
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WHAT!?! That happened to me 2 years a go when I jumped to another's defense and wrote something. It was pulled as well.
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Maybe we are not permitted to call anyone to task.
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Freedom of expression has it's limits in some places. Guess we just got to live with it and know at least we got to say our piece at each time for a bit (that's better than nothing, y'know).
Comment from Carrie Smith
Hi SC. This is a well written, well presented essay addressing the what has occurred as the result of the posting "Stop and Smell the Stench". I agreed with what you purposed about both the poem(?) and the reaction of the reviewers, how the writer responded. I am glad you made the rebuttal in a non-agressive, strait-forward way, Well done, my friend. xoxoSusan
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Hi SC. This is a well written, well presented essay addressing the what has occurred as the result of the posting "Stop and Smell the Stench". I agreed with what you purposed about both the poem(?) and the reaction of the reviewers, how the writer responded. I am glad you made the rebuttal in a non-agressive, strait-forward way, Well done, my friend. xoxoSusan
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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If the original essay had been written about yellow vampires that are the true children of God and was presented in a thoughtful and interesting way, I would have had no trouble with the essay whatsoever.
Thanks for the bouquet of stars.
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I know you wouln't, but I saw no problem with your essay and you deserseved the stars. :)
Comment from animatqua
I am one of the 1600 who said "Thanks, but no thanks." I could not respect what was being said and had no inclination to get into one of those bible thumping battles.
The points you made in this essay needed to be said. I will add one more. Articles like "Wake Up and Smell The Stench," are the reason I routinely click `skip' when I start to read anything on site that has `God' as a central point.
It seems to me as though the authors of such pieces fully expect a six rating because they rang the magic bell. If they are criticized, even for poor grammar and spelling, the reviewer is either ignorant, unappreciative of the fine points, or going to hell.
I participate in this site to improve my writing, not my ranting.
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I am one of the 1600 who said "Thanks, but no thanks." I could not respect what was being said and had no inclination to get into one of those bible thumping battles.
The points you made in this essay needed to be said. I will add one more. Articles like "Wake Up and Smell The Stench," are the reason I routinely click `skip' when I start to read anything on site that has `God' as a central point.
It seems to me as though the authors of such pieces fully expect a six rating because they rang the magic bell. If they are criticized, even for poor grammar and spelling, the reviewer is either ignorant, unappreciative of the fine points, or going to hell.
I participate in this site to improve my writing, not my ranting.
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Me too, but this one bothered me on several levels. The one you mention, putting God in the topic and expecting all reviewers to hit high marks is the big one. Followed by the reviews, some from very good writers that for the very reason mentioned automatically gave this piece a six star rating. The writing was seriously handicapped but the central character was an angry God. You won't be seeing anything coming out of my keyboards about God, abortion or the school system for a very long time, if ever!
Comment from Kingsland
I am not at all sure as to what the over all reasoning was behind this article. But it was well written and very interesting to say the least. You are a good writer and even if I wasn't sure of what your main point was here. I enjoyed reading this and writing this review... John
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I am not at all sure as to what the over all reasoning was behind this article. But it was well written and very interesting to say the least. You are a good writer and even if I wasn't sure of what your main point was here. I enjoyed reading this and writing this review... John
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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John, it was in response to the first item on the poem side "Wake up and smell the stench" I did not reitterate the essay as it was until a few moments ago sitting directly beside what I conside an offensive attack. Thanks for reading.
Comment from wiskas677@yandex.ru
Well, this was certainly a well worded rebuttal of another authors work. I have been busy writing however, and have only recently put down my pen in order to review, and have not looked at 'The Stench" Now,that my curiosity is piqued I must go see what the hullaboo is about.
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Well, this was certainly a well worded rebuttal of another authors work. I have been busy writing however, and have only recently put down my pen in order to review, and have not looked at 'The Stench" Now,that my curiosity is piqued I must go see what the hullaboo is about.
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Good luck with that!
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Well...just looked, and now I think I'll just go shoot myself...just kidding. This razz person is pretty militant, isn't she? I'd better stop before I get in trouble, but puhleeze!!!
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I think I'm already in trouble. Somebody was angry at me for posting and manipulated the site t add 1800 viewing to my post. Do I want FS to explain, yes I do!
Comment from Mustang Patty
I'm saddened that yet another FanStorian choosed to attack anyone that goes against their beliefs. I didn't read the other reviews to Razz's post, and I don't think I really have the time to go through the threads. I applauded her for saying what she feels. Writing what we feel in our hearts is a big part of this site. If she chooses to waste time and energy on those who don't agree with her - it is really her problem. ~patty~
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I'm saddened that yet another FanStorian choosed to attack anyone that goes against their beliefs. I didn't read the other reviews to Razz's post, and I don't think I really have the time to go through the threads. I applauded her for saying what she feels. Writing what we feel in our hearts is a big part of this site. If she chooses to waste time and energy on those who don't agree with her - it is really her problem. ~patty~
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I didn't attack Razz and used the same freedom of expression and greenbacks to put my views on stage.
I also, in my review whch contained no mention of content applauded her for her passion. Razz on the other hand has been very hateful towards many of the reviewers and like you said. That's a shame.
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I didn't mean that you were attacking her -- I'm pointing out that I'm sad that she is attacking those that don't agree with her - sorry about that. I'm in homework hell, and going on less than 2 hours sleep - I just stopped by the board and saw your post. ~patty~
Comment from Veekz
Really good read, I like how you have stated your points while not preaching or forcing people to agree with them 'or else'. My review of the "Wake Up and Smell The Stench" was met with a ridiculous response, although not as nasty as others who had rated it higher and with nicer comments. Maybe that's because, being well versed in the bible, I was able to use the words in it to point out flaws in her 'poem'. There are many, many different ways of interpreting the bible and it is, of course, full of contradictions.
I really liked this part:
the Using God as a tool in order to create this notoriety is the real sin.
Had this been written in defence of the Qur'an with such strong and bombastic language, the same people who granted Razz six stars might well have condemned her and would not have paused at the keyboard, rushing instead to call the FBI.
Found that particular part had a lot of good, solid and valid points.
I am only sorry that I do not have a 6 star review left to give as this more then deserves it.
Good on you for taking the time to write this rebuttal that you've delivered in a calm and reasonable manner.
And I see it's already received more views then the other! Although I do know that's not the point lol :)
You've made my day with this piece :):)
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Really good read, I like how you have stated your points while not preaching or forcing people to agree with them 'or else'. My review of the "Wake Up and Smell The Stench" was met with a ridiculous response, although not as nasty as others who had rated it higher and with nicer comments. Maybe that's because, being well versed in the bible, I was able to use the words in it to point out flaws in her 'poem'. There are many, many different ways of interpreting the bible and it is, of course, full of contradictions.
I really liked this part:
the Using God as a tool in order to create this notoriety is the real sin.
Had this been written in defence of the Qur'an with such strong and bombastic language, the same people who granted Razz six stars might well have condemned her and would not have paused at the keyboard, rushing instead to call the FBI.
Found that particular part had a lot of good, solid and valid points.
I am only sorry that I do not have a 6 star review left to give as this more then deserves it.
Good on you for taking the time to write this rebuttal that you've delivered in a calm and reasonable manner.
And I see it's already received more views then the other! Although I do know that's not the point lol :)
You've made my day with this piece :):)
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Thanks for sharing so much. The 2000 plus viewing were manipulated by a Razz fan-Econteacher-who explains in her review of my essay exactly why she did so. That was done according to her to prove my percentages were wrong. Which of corse left me with additional questions.
I believe I remember your review. It was also well thought out and took a commitment of time to share that with the author.
I bow to your expertise on the Bible. I am not a church christian, but I strognly believe in Christianilty and respect all people of faith who try to live the teachings of the great prophets.
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I am neither a practising Christian and most definitely am not a church going one but, as an atheist who would LOVE to have the blind faith religious people do, I have studied lots of different religions. And I'm just a bookworm in general so have a lot of religious works too! Lol :) I did try and tell the author that, while it wasn't her views as such I had an issue with, but the spag, false information and her responses to reviews that annoyed me. I'm a little bit annoyed that in my response to HER response I let my anger came through but I've since realized there is no point arguing with idiots - they are idiots :) What I donâ??t get is why the site is letting her get away with it?! She was really nasty to some people and it specifically says â??do not attack or defend the review.â?? Iâ??d love someone to explain that please??
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Well someone emailedme to say that they had complained, but as much attention as this got her, the general attitude she had probably cost her as well. Still I'd like her to crash and burn on her own without any interference from the site. I know that my little adventure cost me $70 member dollars and $60 on my Amex card and gers has to be about the same. I've said my piece and mine will die a natural death in three days. Hers has already been renewed once, so I think her posting will run a natural course.
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How true - I, for one, will never read her work again and have read that from more then one person so she has, effectively, burned herself there. That natural course could NOT run out any faster.... :)
Comment from Anti-Theist
Nicely done. I am about ready to sign up and start enjoying this site again as a means of exercising this free speech that we enjoy. I did, however, think this rebuttal fell a bit short. You could have gone so much further with this. I was one of the reviewers that was outright condemned for sanctioning baby killing because I disagreed with the author. The discourse went on back and forth for quite a while before the author finally ceased hurling shells back at me. I had a long, thorough, and honest review and no one single point of mine was ever acknowledged as being good or even decent. The author also chose to ignore the editing advice offered up. My only question now is, how much longer will this essay posing as a poem stay in the number one listed spot for poems.
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Nicely done. I am about ready to sign up and start enjoying this site again as a means of exercising this free speech that we enjoy. I did, however, think this rebuttal fell a bit short. You could have gone so much further with this. I was one of the reviewers that was outright condemned for sanctioning baby killing because I disagreed with the author. The discourse went on back and forth for quite a while before the author finally ceased hurling shells back at me. I had a long, thorough, and honest review and no one single point of mine was ever acknowledged as being good or even decent. The author also chose to ignore the editing advice offered up. My only question now is, how much longer will this essay posing as a poem stay in the number one listed spot for poems.
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I read your review and I completely agree and in fact that correspondence actually was part of my inner boil that propelled me to not only write the rebuttal, but to use my Ame/EX card (heavily) to push this to number one the numbr one position so that it could be viewed beside Razz' post.
I agree, I could have taken on the actual content of the essay as I believe the author's ultimate rant was about abortion. If I remember correctly you questioned situations of rape and the responce came without any thoughtfuness, but ent directly nack to the mantra. I chose not to open up discussions on abortion, homosexuality or sex education as this has already escalated and did noot want to fuel this rage.
Instead I focused on respect and took exception to Razz posturing herself as God's personal publicist. I also reviewed and avoided all discussions about the content except noting that she did not capitalize Godless. With all the other suggestions offered by reviewers I suppose this was the only one that embarrassed her. She changed it.
Thanks for sharing. Oh, and I suppose the posting will stay up as long as Razz is willing to spend the cash. Mine runs out in 3 days and I ill be happy to see both of them gone.
Comment from Econ Teacher
I am not sure if you understand that views do not mean how many different members viewed a piece. It is how many times the screen has been viewed by anyone. To give it much value is a waste of energy and time. I am not sure if you noticed that the poem was first released in July 2010 and it probably has been promoted many times. Everytime someone promotes a piece it is going to get views and if someone looks at it several times it will get even more views. Maybe people that already reviewed it, liked it so much they looked at it over and over (probably not, but it is possible).
Just to prove a point, earlier today, I hit F5 (the refresh button) on your piece for about 5 minutes. I got nearly 1500 views in that time. Should people rate a piece on the number of views compared to the number of reviews? No way! It is meaningless. The entire paragraph:
However, for the 1800 who opened "Wake Up and Smell The Stench," only 200 chose to review or respond. That means that only eight percent of these members felt the submission was worthy of their response. The author made the reviewing a lucrative venture and yet 1600 members wisely chose silence as their weapon.
is meaningless. It is untrue and misinformation. And for that paragraph alone I give your piece a three. If you chose to fix it, I will change the score to a four.
I understand why the author of the poem wrote what she did. She had a strong felt conviction to tell people the errors of their ways. I might not agree with the way she responded to reviewers, but she is being consistent in her desire to tell others that there are certain behaviors she believes are wrong. I think this rebuttal could have been focused on the proper way of responding to reviews and how it can be handled.
I find it truly ironic with the last line of this piece. "Thank God we live in a country that allows us freedom of expression!" Yet, isn't a point of this piece to censor what the author of the other piece was trying to say?
There were so many strawmen in this rebuttal that I find it hard to understand what its point was about. I did hear the sentiment that it is wrong for the author to respond to reviewers harshly when they disagreed with her poem. I agree with that point. I think this essay would have been more finely tuned with a thesis statement and a logical conclusion based on that thesis. It is more of a rant without logical progressions or reasoning.
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reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I am not sure if you understand that views do not mean how many different members viewed a piece. It is how many times the screen has been viewed by anyone. To give it much value is a waste of energy and time. I am not sure if you noticed that the poem was first released in July 2010 and it probably has been promoted many times. Everytime someone promotes a piece it is going to get views and if someone looks at it several times it will get even more views. Maybe people that already reviewed it, liked it so much they looked at it over and over (probably not, but it is possible).
Just to prove a point, earlier today, I hit F5 (the refresh button) on your piece for about 5 minutes. I got nearly 1500 views in that time. Should people rate a piece on the number of views compared to the number of reviews? No way! It is meaningless. The entire paragraph:
However, for the 1800 who opened "Wake Up and Smell The Stench," only 200 chose to review or respond. That means that only eight percent of these members felt the submission was worthy of their response. The author made the reviewing a lucrative venture and yet 1600 members wisely chose silence as their weapon.
is meaningless. It is untrue and misinformation. And for that paragraph alone I give your piece a three. If you chose to fix it, I will change the score to a four.
I understand why the author of the poem wrote what she did. She had a strong felt conviction to tell people the errors of their ways. I might not agree with the way she responded to reviewers, but she is being consistent in her desire to tell others that there are certain behaviors she believes are wrong. I think this rebuttal could have been focused on the proper way of responding to reviews and how it can be handled.
I find it truly ironic with the last line of this piece. "Thank God we live in a country that allows us freedom of expression!" Yet, isn't a point of this piece to censor what the author of the other piece was trying to say?
There were so many strawmen in this rebuttal that I find it hard to understand what its point was about. I did hear the sentiment that it is wrong for the author to respond to reviewers harshly when they disagreed with her poem. I agree with that point. I think this essay would have been more finely tuned with a thesis statement and a logical conclusion based on that thesis. It is more of a rant without logical progressions or reasoning.
This rating does not count towards story rating or author rank.
The highest and the lowest rating are not included in calculations.
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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Yes, it was worth the money and it went right on my Am/Ex card. I am certain that Razz did the same. I'm glad you were able to benefit from both postings but I do not see the point. Perhaps you woould like to explain.
My last statement pertained as much to Razz' as it did to mine. Because we have free speech we can state our views openly and hopefully appeal to create a greater understanding between people who might disagree or have opposing views.
Your point regarding re-posting an already rated work is an eye-opener, but your manipulation of the views on my submission is disturbing. Why would you do that? If that is your way of making a point regarding the number of views on Razz' post you mght have used words to describe that possibility rather than to fudge with numbers. When I saw this I reported it to FS. Is your point also that you did this to Razz' story or an insinuation that she might have done this herself in order to push her work onto the well received page?
Of course this will sku the percentage.
As for making any corrections for your approval and increased rating, I respectfully decline,
You asked me what the point was of my writing and posting this essay. I find zealots who want to brow beat others into submission, but screaming louder, spitting with contempt and lacking what I refer to as Christian respect disgraceful.
I actually agree with some of the points in Razz' essay, but the rage and arrogance with which she has posted this view insulting to all people of faith.
Comment from Aglovale
This is everything Razz's piece was not. By turns calm, collected, and following a logical argument, you refute everything espoused in Razz's rant. Admittedly I am on your side already, so I might be construed as being a yes man without considering the alternative. But as you say, it was not necessarily the message that made the controversy, but the manner in which it was presented. Thank you for proving moderation and compassion are as powerful as anger and bitterness. As Jesus himself said, 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. Thank you for sharing.
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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This is everything Razz's piece was not. By turns calm, collected, and following a logical argument, you refute everything espoused in Razz's rant. Admittedly I am on your side already, so I might be construed as being a yes man without considering the alternative. But as you say, it was not necessarily the message that made the controversy, but the manner in which it was presented. Thank you for proving moderation and compassion are as powerful as anger and bitterness. As Jesus himself said, 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. Thank you for sharing.
Comment Written 23-Feb-2011
reply by the author on 23-Feb-2011
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I think I used the same quote to Razz.
You are a certainly NOT a yes man. All of us need to exhibit thoughtful reflection in spiritual matters. It essentionaly defines who we are regardless of our choice of guides.
Thank you for the bouquet of stars.
