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OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud


Time for people here to do the same??

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One America News Network said in a statement that there was "no widespread voter fraud" in the 2020 election.

It was responding to a defamation lawsuit against it brought by two election workers who say they were harassed.

OAN helped push that groundless claim of voter fraud for months.

The right-wing One America News Network admitted in a Monday legal statement that there was no widespread voter fraud by Georgia election officials in the 2020 presidential election after having extensively pushed the groundless claim.



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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud

Wait, they said there was no fraud anywhere? Or no fraud in Georgia?


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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
The only voter fraud I'm aware of is dead Republicans voting for their party, which I believe is against the rules. Are you aware of some other fraud, Harambe?

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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
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Harambe, I believe this specific court case was brought by two election workers in Georgia who were named and repeatedly accused of fraud by OAN leading to them being threatened and harassed by those who swallowed Trump's big lie.

As Craig said, it seems that the only proven cases of fraud were perpetrated by republican voters voting twice by impersonating a dead relative - all voting for Trump of course.

There may possibly be a few other cases but obviously after 60 court cases not remotely enough to have changed the overall result or even the result in a single state.

Barr told Trump that. His White House lawyers all told him that. The head of Homeland Security told him that. That is why he could and should be held to account.

Of course there was also his desperate plea to the Secretary of State in Georgia. If anyone else had done that they would be rotting in jail already.

Edited to add:
Once the Dominion lawsuits start hitting Giuliani and Fox News will have to do the same...


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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
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Yeah a couple comments, in no particular order:

-Agreed; Trump's conversation with the Georgia AG does not look good for him

-Signature matching, while not infallible, is a good test. Not enough evidence in Georgia for Trump to have won. And Trump would have had to have won a LOT of states.

-Not all states have signature matching. For example, Pennsylvania's politicized interference from the judiciary prior to the election appears highly suspect. Enough to change the outcome in Penn? Quite possibly. I watched the live results coming in, Trump was way ahead, and then suddenly the data showed Biden ahead and the previous data had been erased -- that seems rather suspicious. Lack of serialization in the ballots provides a security weakness. Why is our currency more secure than ballots? Even liberals have agreed with me on this.

-A survey that concludes that all the illegal votes cast were for one candidate is somewhere between suspect and statistically impossible, so hard to take its objectivity seriously, though it depends how many of these illegal votes for Trump were documented. The more there are, the more one-sided and improbable the statistic is.

-Votors I know in Maine, New Hampshire, and other states received duplicate ballots. One of them wasn't even eligible to vote. Demographically, they were more likely to have voted for Democrats (low income, non-white).

-Drop box security in cities is an utter joke

-Democrats keep saying, where is the proof of fraud. They often do not understand the counter argument which says, show how ballots are secure. Without ballot serialization, they aren't, once mail ballots scale up as they did to become a much more significant percentage of the votes cast.

-Trump blew his chances by focusing on all the wrong things, picking fights he could not possibly ever win. You can't prove fraud when ballots are not serialized. By the time the election happened it was way too late already. Ballots should have been serialized months before they went out. Now, the system will likely never be secured, and it might lead to a civil war. That is most unfortunate for Americans and for the world.


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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
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So... hearsay, rumour, and innuendo, no hard evidence.

I'm certain if there were any, it would have been presented long ago, instead of the garbage we saw.

Also, wasn't it the same system in 2020 as it was in 2016, when the Whiner in Chief won? Where was all the bleating about cheating and fraud then? Face it, the Republicans are simply pathetic losers.

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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
Funny this has NEVER been an issue before!

And suspicious? Really? That the followers of the guy who told them repeatedly over a period of months that the Dems would cheat, that the election was rigged, would go about altering the odds?

Get real! of course it was nearly all Trump-followers who tried to cheat.

Serialization of ballots? Hardly any countries do this. Why? I believe it's to prevent fraud and/or intimidation of voters because the specific ballot is linked to a specific voter, violating their privacy.

Jimmy Kimmel gives a slightly altered version of OAN's forced statement in his Tue show. It's worth a look if just for the chuckle. The relevant part is about mins in, but why not enjoy the whole show?




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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
Vote serialization needs to be blind, and used just for eliminating duplicate ballots, not for tracing votes. Ideally it would be a digitally encrypted infrared code on the printed ballot itself. Some work to come up with, but once it is issued and subject to open scrutiny and accountability, it ought to work. It just hasn't been done yet because it would take a bit of effort. Again, the burden of proof is not to prove fraud, but to prove that it can't happen. That is why people trust other institutions; they know that the product, based on the supplier meeting certain verifications (like ISO or FDA) must be signed off by governing bodies with regulations.

In the US it's complicated because the electoral college system ensures that each state manages its own elections. There is actually some logic in the Democratic argument of federalizing the vote process, but with too much control it would undermine the autonomy of the states. But meeting a federal standard for ballot encryption as it pertains to supplying federal candidates might make some sense.


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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
Funny this has NEVER been an issue before!

Haha, it has been an issue ever since the 2000 election. Both parties should have worked together to fix the issue of vote validation 20 years ago. Why haven't they? Politics as usual.

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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
Dare I say not a REAL issue.

Never has there been a participating individual or a supporting group who have not only exhausted all the legal recourses but then gone on to permanently claim major fraud against all the available evidence and even against their own trusted systems and verifying organisations.

There is ONLY ONE explanation for that. His name starts with T and he and his supporters are either criminal or brainwashed.

The rest of your post makes good sense


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RE: OAN Admits There Was No Voter Fraud
Yes, many of Trump's supporters are one of those two things. They may also fall into the "ends justifies the means/lesser of two evils" camp, which tends to go against their religious values. Unfortunately the same can probably be said of those who voted for Hillary or Joe, since they were both "moderate" candidates. We haven't had an idealist hold presidential office since, oh I don't know, maybe Jimmy Carter? Idealists usually have trouble getting re-elected.

It's gonna be pretty hard to prove or disprove fraud without that internal vote traceability tracking. It is pretty much looking for needles in haystacks, or blind men searching for the poop shoot on a jellyfish.

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