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Canada and the United States both have a federal system of government, which means that power is shared between the national and local governments. However, in Canada, power is more concentrated in the executive branch, and the legislature has less influence. In contrast, in the United States, power is more balanced among the three branches of government: the executive, the legislative, and the judicial.

What did you learn at university, Lance? Political Science 202 taught me a lot about the American system of government. Is that scholarly as I am not sure what you mean by that comment. Did you ever learn about other countries in any significant way during your education, or do you even care?

With the election of Mike Johnson as the Republican House Speaker, Trump has officially been neutralized. This is now the GOP of the Koch Brothers and we are headed into treacherous waters indeed with far, far more capable thinkers and strategists than reality TV star, Donald J. Trump.




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RE: Just saying... again!
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Um, let me say, this isn't personal. I see the responses to my comment, but I don't understand them. I didn't say anything about a speaker, Trump or any gun lobby. The 2nd Amend. existed before any gun lobby. Is it not clear the people of America has made their choice? Our Supreme Court has repeatedly decided what gun laws are Constitutional and which are not. ( I don't know what sane or insane laws are)What did I say that was wrong? What did I say that was not factual? If you need more convincing, you need only look at the forums. The majority of members speaking/writing against America's gun laws and rights are NOT Americans. That too is a fact.



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Need convincing of what?

I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting the right to be concerned about the pointless slaughter of tens upon tens of thousands of innocent Americans every year is limited to Americans citizens? That only US citizens have a right to object to the millions of American men, women and children who have needlessly lost their lives to satisfy a weird gun fetish?

I believe it was US Supreme Court Justice Berger who described the idea that individuals should be permitted to own guns as "ridiculous". And no US Supreme Court has ever suggested there should be no laws limiting ownership. Neither does the 2nd amendment.

As for your comment that "The majority of members speaking/writing against America's gun laws and rights are NOT Americans," my question is what, EXACTLY, is your point? The majority of people speaking/writing about China's human rights abuses are not Chinese.

You say you don't know what sane and insane gun laws are. I think I can help with that. Sane gun laws are those that limit possession of devices specifically designed for the purpose of killing to those who have a legitimate right to own them. That is hardly anyone, especially in cities. Insane gun laws are those that grant anyone who hasn't yet displayed their inclination to mow down a couple of dozen innocent civilians the means to do so. It's really not that hard to fathom. Look around you. Those countries that don't bury ridiculous numbers of their citizens every year for no reason, and who don't have mass shootings on a more-than-daily basis (basically the entire civilised world outside your borders) have shown how it's done.








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I will repeat, since it seems my words may have been misunderstood, and not answered. Citizens of other nations can feel however they choose. It makes no difference here.

No elected legislator in any of our fifty states has ever voted to repeal or replace our right to bear arms. No Congress, No President, Republican or Democrat has ever moved to repeal or replace our 2nd amendment. Not California or New York.

Our Supreme Court has repeatedly decided what gun laws are Constitutional and which are not, and have ruled citizens have the right to own, and carry guns legally.

What did I say that was wrong? What did I say that was not factual?


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You said you didn't know what sane and insane gun laws were, I simply provided you a totally reasonable explanation -- but don't feel you have to thank me.


As for your point about no government ever voting to repeal the second amendment, you are correct, in as far as I know. No government has ever sought to prohibit a well-ordered militia from owning rim-loading rifles. That's a bit different from every Tom, Dick and Harriet being able to cart an AR15 with them everywhere they go, is it not?


As I previously stated, but clearly you missed it, there is absolutely no need to repeal the 2nd amendment in order to have sensible gun laws. Not that it should matter if there were a need to change the constitution in order to save innocent lives. How do you think the law got in there in the first place?


The real question is why so many people think it's fair enough for tens of thousands of men, women and children yearly to lose their lives at the hands of deranged or simply evil people, to satisfy a ridiculous gun obsession?


So, now that we've established that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with allowing every man, woman and child access to weapons capable of killing multiple people within seconds, are you ready to suggest what steps governments CAN take to stop innocents being butchered?




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CD, it is nice to see you back and I hope you're well. I really did not post to argue or engage in hyperbole or exaggerations, or to pretend SCOTUS hasn't already ruled multiple times on the militia thing, and what the limits are. As I stated, I don't expect people of other countries to know all the nuances of another nation's laws, rights, and customs. I do not know all the rights and laws of Canada, the UK, France, or Mexico, and I been to them several times. So, I do not try to tell their citizens about what their laws should be. I hope you and others, if not agree, then can understand, everyone and every nation is different, and that's ok. Good night.



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Thank you for the kind welcome, Lancellot. So there's no misunderstanding, I'm not "back" to contribute poems or stories, much less to participate in farcical site "contests". So, until such time as my membership expires, I have the forum.


If anyone here has engaged in hyperbole or exaggerations, perhaps you might make it clear exactly where that has occurred. As for not being here to argue (or debate, as it is also known), then why are you here? Just to enlighten us with your view from the perspective of a citizen of the nation with the worst gun problem in the civilised world? To point out to us foreigners how wrong we are?


The thing is, you like to give the impression (as do all of those who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the problem), that almost everyone in your country agrees with you. That is clearly not the case. Sixty-three percent, or nearly two-thirds, of Americans say they want more legislation to address gun violence (https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/politics-policy/political-issues/gun-policy). So basically, your nation is not as different as you make out. A very vocal, powerful, cashed-up and deadly minority of its citizens are.


In one respect, America is different. That is, it "enjoys" the status of being the sole nation on the planet where guns are the leading cause of death of children. You've been invited on more than one occasion to offer your thoughts on how to rectify that. Regrettably, you've declined the invitation. Have a nice evening.




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No need to say anymore. There is no point in debating, arguing or trying to explain to people who can't vote and aren't even here and don't want to listen to facts.

This is just silly banter, that has no impact on anything. Like a player arguing with a person watching the game at home about strategy. Win or lose, there is no effect on the person at home in another country.

Enjoy complaining about a country you don't live in.


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There must be a term for the nonsense arguments you make Lance which are more than passing strange given how much influence the US poses in foreign policy in everyone else's country.

My point is that the USA's democratic republic is neither as complex nor as unique as you stated. People from other countries are aware of how your system works and how easy access has made guns the leading cause for deaths in American children as Craig correctly stated. Canada has guns (with much credit given to the NRA lobbying in my country) and a few percentage points higher incidence of mental illness. Yet per capita the rate of mass shootings in the US is five times higher than that of Canada where gun laws are federally legislated.

Most countries have attached the outcome to the cause, but it seems you want to attribute gun violence to everything but guns. A good example of this flawed thinking is found in your new House Speaker, Mike Johnson. He doesn't support gun law legislation because in his view easy access to guns is not the cause of mass gun shootings. Be damned with Occam's razor that requires the fewest assumptions and the most evidence that is present in abundance. No, to this charismatic but limited man, school shootings are caused by teaching evolution, allowing feminism, no-fault divorce, and reproductive rights as these things erase the influence of Christian thinking and creationism from society. What's next; taking away women's right to vote, get an education, or own property? Another Holy War?

A 2015 report from Harvard and Northeastern universities estimated that there were about 265 million privately owned firearms in the US, of which about half were owned by 3% of the US adult population. A website called American Gun Facts claims that as of March 31, 2023, there are over 393 million firearms in the US, of which over 98% are in civilian hands.

The reason cited most often for owning a gun is protection and that raises the question, how many guns does one need to protect oneself in the USA and from whom? Why are a small percentage of civilians stockpiling so many assault weapons?



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Lance, since your post was actually addressed to me and in response to a post I wrote, I am hoping you will read my response: Whilst your post was interesting and informative, it bore little correlation to the point I actually made, which was in response to Judiverse talking about mental health issues. I pointed out that if mental health is a big concern, which I agree it is in a lot of places, that certainly needs addressing, but if there is a high incidence of mental health issues, easier access to destructive weapons isn't a great idea. The 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' may be true, but it rather misses the point. It's easier to kill a lot of people in one go with a gun than it is with a baseball bat, or even a knife. If you know, as Judiverse intimated, that there's an increased problem with mental health, and it has been identified that mass shooters are people with issues that should have been addressed, surely, as well as asking why the issues haven't been addressed, it might be worth asking why, to coin a phrase, you are supplying matches in a firework factory. The fact that America as a whole isn't voting to do this/doesn't view the matter in this light doesn't really change the point I am making. It's a simple fact. Weapons of any kind and certain mental health issues don't make good bedfellows. Resolving rising mental health issues is going to take a lot of work, and it isn't a problem that will ever be eradicated, but the impact on the wider community might just be minimised if members of the population at large weren't able to obtain an item whose sole purpose is to kill. It's not exactly pushing the boundaries of logic to draw that conclusion. Now, I don't deny that the complexities of your legislative machinery are many and varied, or that the story of guns is deeper than mass shootings. Nor do I make any statements about what Americans want or do not want. I simply make the point that, considering concerns expressed by an American about rises in mental health issues and their links to mass shootings, the prevalence of guns isn't helping. Whether you want to, or indeed can do anything to resolve the sort of lighted match/powderkeg situation you have going on by tightening up gun laws as well as improving your approach to mental health is, as you say, up to you. If, nationally and in individual states, there is no clear preference to address existing legislation around guns, so be it. It's your prerogative.


I am going to start a thread about one of my Nation's darker moments. There's stuff about where our own legislation was woefully inadequate.  I hope to see you there. I will be interested in your view.



   
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