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RE: Who could've predicted it?
Hello, Yvonne. Nice to hear from you.

Here's where you're completely wrong:

Assuming by "other countries", you mean mine, let me just quote from Wikipedia:

"Australia has one of the highest amounts of foreign-born residents in the world (both in total numbers, and per capita), as well as one of the highest immigration rates in the world.

Immigrants account for 30% of the population, the highest proportion among major Western nations."

That's well over double the number of immigrants in the US population . So no, we don't need to take any planeloads from you. We are already doing our bit.

Maybe you should stop blaming immigrants for the problems caused by your own citizens?




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RE: Who could've predicted it?
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Well said, Damommy.


That's one thing I've always wondered about. So many of the illegal, migrants, asylum seekers, refugees, undocumented, or whatever current PC name is, are young men. Thousands of them. Why run from your country? Why not stay and fix it? Why not stay and fight for your homeland? There are hundreds of thousands crossing nations, walking thousands of miles. THAT'S AN ARMY.


Why can't five thousand settle and defend one city or town from gangs and corruption? Make a green zone, then expand outwards. Why don't they fight?


And yes, he did virtually say, no. We don't want anymore immigrants. We have enough. Funny, so he can say his country has taken enough, but no one else can. I like how he sideways, admits there is a limit. So, what does that make him, considering what he call others who say no more immigrants?



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RE: Who could've predicted it?
It doesn't make me anything, Lancellot, because I never said anything of the sort. What it makes you is a bald-faced liar, and I wish you'd stop.

I said we don't need to take your plane loads. Why not? Because we're already taking twice what the US is, and will continue to do so -- something I have no issue with.

Your true colours are really shining through now.


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RE: Who could've predicted it?
Look, CD. No one was complaining about what your country's immigration policy is or isn't. No one was telling you what your nation should or shouldn't do. No one challenged or criticized anything about Australia, past, present or future.

We don't talk crap about your leaders, laws, culture, or what direction your sovereign nation should take.

That's what I'm saying. Make your country however you as a citizen want it to be. What do I know? I don't live in Australia. I don't pay taxes there. I've never set foot on your soil. It makes no logical sense for me to tell you what you and your fellow Australians are doing wrong. Can I? Yes, but why should I?
At the end of the day, nothing I say about Australia's issues or who they should be handled has an effect on me. It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong, I has no effect on me, all the way in America.

Who your Prime Minister is mean nothing to me, or anyone else outside of your borders. So, I don't argue with you about it. You live there. You have stakes there. It matters to you, and yours. It will always be more important to you, as it should be.

Don't you understand that? Why would I argue with you about your country? That makes no sense.


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RE: Who could've predicted it?
Concerning your question about why I would want to get involved, my answer is simple -- because I don't share your opinion that Americans are the only ones who matter. I'll go further -- Americans who happen to share your political inclinations appear to be the only ones that matter to you.

There are millions of people who are every bit as human as you and I who, through no fault of their own, need help. You want to deny them that help, I don't. That's the difference.

In every country on the planet there are those who believe they are entitled to everything simply because of the circumstances of their birth. They may have more than they could ever need, but the idea of sharing what is "rightfully theirs" is anathema to them. These are the ones who are typically responsible for the top one percent of the population owning forty percent of the wealth. This is an obscenity, when you have homelessness and poverty, which are NOT the fault of desperate immigrants, but of pure greed and avarice.

So these people make up lies about the immigrants. Lies such as you have posted here. And the problem with that is that Americans suffer because of the blame-shifting, because those who caused the problem in the first place are never held to account. The problems never get fixed.

So, why should I care? Because I care about humans, wherever they are from. Because I care about the nations that are forced to bear increased loads if the third-largest nation on the planet refuses to step up. And because I care about Americans who are being lied to on a daily basis.

Is that enough reason?


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RE: Who could've predicted it?
Craig, I know your country is made up of many races. That's not the point. Ours is, too. But we're running out of space and money. The majority of your country isn't even inhabited. Lancelot is right. A great many are young men who are running from the law in their country. Why don't they stand and fight? There's enough already come to this country to make up several armies. As far as problems in my country goes, I've always said we have enough crime without taking in more from other countries.

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RE: Who could've predicted it?
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Yvonne, You're right about one thing: the majority of our country isn't inhabited. That's for a very simple reason -- it's uninhabitable. More than 90% of our population lives within 60 miles of the coast. That's a bit different to the US - a country of roughly equal size.


The crime thing has been gone over many times in this thread. I don't think there's much to be gained in repeating it all again.




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RE: Who could've predicted it?
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It seems the main difference of opinion is: 1) Some of us believe in National rights, and and Individual borders. And some people do not. 2) Some of us believe people of one country have no cause to tell another country what they should be doing with regards to their laws, cultures, or rights. While a few others think, so it seems, there should be no borders, no separate nations. They see Earth as one nation, and want it to be. (like in Star Trek). 3) Or some only see the wants, and problems of (who they see as) the minority, the victim, the lower cast, the weak while it is the responsibility of the strong, the majority, the rich to take care of the others; just do it, and don't complain about. This is a difference in ideology. It cannot be bridged.


CD, I will never go over to that side, and you will never come to mine. Why can't we just leave each other alone. I don't want to enter your threads just to oppose you. I do not know why you continue to follow me. Really, no matter what I say or what topic, you will come to say the opposite. Why is that? CD, I am cool with live and let live. That is what I was trying to say in the last post. I don't bother you about your country. Why must you contantly chase me and others about our nation?  You claim to care about people, but that is not true. Going through the forum it is crystal clear you only care about "certain" people, and then only if they agree with your thinking. 



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RE: Who could've predicted it?
Clearly, you're enjoying yourself in Fantasyland, Lancellot. To address your claims one-by-one:

1. Some people believe those who are suffering should be allowed across your borders. Some of those people demonstrated that in the last election. That is one of the many reasons the goon you so admire lost.

2. Some of us believe in free speech. Others believe because of their lack of knowledge and paucity of facts they should attempt to shut down that free speech.

3. You're almost right on this. It will never be bridged as long as there are people in the world devoid of empathy and compassion.

Clearly you see yourself as one of the strong and the rich. I have quite another view of it. As far as being in the majority, read point one above.

I'm quite happy for us to leave each other alone. You stop posting your far-right-wing nonsense, and I'll stop responding. It's that easy. As for chasing you, don't flatter yourself. Furthermore, say something decent or true, and see how fast I agree with you. As for your last sentence, isn't it odd that's exactly what I said about you in the previous post? Get your own material... oh, I'm sorry, you don't know how to do that.

If you're tired of looking silly, just stop. Easily fixed.


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RE: Who could've predicted it?


This is a classic story about compassion. Now the old man in the story, and the narrator believe they are both compassionate and wise.

But are they?

To me the old man is a fool, and a soon to be dead fool. The old man and the narrator hit fine points, that many will agree with, but... in desiring to prove their points, they deliberately ignore clear facts and points that would cast doubt. Choosing to ignore those other things and only see one side, shows that they are neither compassionate or wise.

1) A wise and compassionate man would have known the scorpion would sting. In fact, the old man did know this. He understood the creature's nature before he extended his hand. Yet, because he allowed his desire to be compassionate to rule over his wisdom, intellect and self preservation. He not only did not save the scorpion, he also died painfully, and ended any potential good for others he could have done in the future.

2) What both failed to see or state, is that compassion, like any other emotion must be tempered with wisdom and intellect, or it will become a detriment.

   
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