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RE: Just the facts, Ma'am
Reply on December 12, 2017 11:20 PM << Modifed December 12 at 11:24PM >>

No gloria, I don't know exactly where you get your information, but I do know you do quite a bit of posting from the articles you read...I read a lot, all kinds of articles, but most of them do not apply to me, and so mean very little...my life doesn't depend on what others here think, I've seen enough during my lifetime, that I know the good the bad, and yes the indifferent, and so much of that doesn't effect me...so no gloria, I choose not to read the article...there are articles that I do read, that mean something, to me, but not most of what you post...

Much of what is happening here, is not unexpected, all the conspiracy theories are nothing new, and in my own way, I know what's behind a lot of it...so I choose not
to allow it to change my way of life...I couldn't care less whether you like me or not..I've read enough of your thoughts to know you...the negativity you see is only a part of what I see, and know about Americans...trump is a vile person that happens to be an American, but not unknown to me...yes I will continue to speak out about him, but on the other hand I'm grateful for people like Doug Jones who just won the senate seat in Alabama.

This is certainly a slap in the face for trump, and a plus for the people of this country.

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RE: Just the facts, Ma'am
Reply on December 14, 2017 03:52 PM
Oh dear, oh dear!

I'm going to step in as an outsider to this thread and offer my two cents worth.

Victoria, with the greatest of respect, I have to say that you occasionally get hold of the wrong end of the stick and once you have hold of it you refuse to let go.

Let's make this perfectly clear: all three of you ladies share exactly the same point of view regarding Obama and Trump - and so do I. Obama was a scholar and a gentleman - a brilliant example of everything a decent person could hope for in their President. Trump on the other hand is a braggart and a blowhard and destined to go down in history as the least competent President you have ever had.

That anyone could create so much ill feeling out of such perfect agreement is a little hard to understand. Victoria, you are perfectly right that Obama's status as the first black president was enormously important and worth celebrating - a watershed moment to rank with women gaining the right to vote and emancipation.

Ingrid's point that seems to have upset you so much was simply that, once elected, in his international dealings, his colour became unimportant compared to his other wonderful qualities.

Let's bury a few hatchets and get on with celebrating successes such as the defeat of Roy Moore - it is amusing to see Trump trying to justify his support for the man and explain why his support was not enough to carry the day.

Well done, Alabama!

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RE: Just the facts, Ma'am
Reply on December 14, 2017 11:37 PM

No, I don't think its what you say at all....I think my thoughts and what I hold strongly is no different than the way others hold on to their opinions and thoughts..."wrong end of the stick"..well I would say that's the way you wish to call it, and its fine with me.

What Ingrid said was an opinion nothing more...we travel in quite different circles, probably read different material, have different friends, so what bothered me was the definite way in which her statement was made...it was simple an opinion that I saw from quite a different perspective...and it remains..

I think I made my point...although in what is known as the "international community" some tend to think in terms of specific areas of the world...for me there is much more to consider and to say that his color was unimportant is simply so not true in places that I have been.

Its not a matter of right and wrong, its simply a matter of what's important...to Me, and what Ingrid found to be important in her way of thinking...Surely he was well respected in the world, we all know that..but there was a special connection felt in ALL the countries I have visited...and that feeling was felt in a personal way...especially if one would have seen a face that said wow, maybe i could be one too...something that perhaps you nor Ingrid could appreciate.

Unimportant...not hardly....sorry I make no excuses for my feeling, thoughts and opinions...if they differ from your's or from Ingrid's that's fine..its to be expected I see life from my eyes...When the young people in schools I visited realized that Obama was president, they were not interested in his "international dealings" but they were proud of him...as a man whose color of skin was the same as their's...I hardly expect you to understand that.

I have no hatchet to bury, because my thought will not change.

Some time ago you made a comment about how I responded to things, where Recon, was concerned...I agreed with you then, but we will just have to accept that we are not on the same page this time...i have no problem with that at all.

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RE: Just the facts, Ma'am
Reply on December 15, 2017 01:24 PM
Victoria, of course you are entitled to your opinion. I am just sorry to see such obvious ill-feeling created out of a simple interpretation of words. We all respect and admire Obama and it is obvious that his status as the first black President carries immense significance, not only in the schools and the Caribbean, as you describe, but around the world.

For a start, any person from any minority can now aspire to reach the 'top', not just in politics, but in whatever sector where they excel. how long now before we see the first woman, the first gay, the first transgender, the first Hispanic...?

I am sure Ingrid would agree entirely with those sentiments. Of course, as a person of colour, you feel it more strongly, the huge pride that one of your own could break the barrier and reach those heights.

Ingrid's initial point did not deny any of that. It was simply that when mingling with heads of state from around the globe, the colour of Obama's skin was less important that his diplomatic skills, his charm, his wisdom. On that stage he was no longer in a minority. His immense accomplishment was recognised and appreciated, especially at first, but then he was just accepted as a talented and powerful man who could sway the world.

Thank you for your eloquence and your determination to stand up for what you believe is important - one of your hallmarks and one for which we all respect you...

   
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