"OUT OF THE BLUE"
Viewing comments for Chapter 2 "~The Awakening~ part 2"A book of short stories.
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Comment from Gargantuan2
I find no faults in the writing. No typos or suggested rephrasing at all. You have a unique story here and I look forward to the next part of it. :)
reply by the author on 18-Nov-2014
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I find no faults in the writing. No typos or suggested rephrasing at all. You have a unique story here and I look forward to the next part of it. :)
Comment Written 18-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 18-Nov-2014
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Thank you Gargantuan2, for your kind review. I hope you continue to enjoy. :) Mel.
Comment from butterfly4265
I thoroughly enjoyed reading Part 1 and was happy to see Part 2 posted so quickly afterwards! I enjoyed reading this as much as I did the first one. This again is very interesting, well written and has left me wanting to read even more. Thank you again for sharing this excellent and misunderstood story with us. Keep them coming! :-)
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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I thoroughly enjoyed reading Part 1 and was happy to see Part 2 posted so quickly afterwards! I enjoyed reading this as much as I did the first one. This again is very interesting, well written and has left me wanting to read even more. Thank you again for sharing this excellent and misunderstood story with us. Keep them coming! :-)
Comment Written 17-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Thank you butterfly4265, I'm so lad you enjoyed. The next part should be ready for Friday. :) Mel.
Comment from chasennov
Chapter 2 of the book "OUT OF THE BLUE" "~The Awakening~ part 2" Although I have stated that I do not believe in this type of code, I am increasingly finding it interesting, and I look forward to reading part three. Well done.
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Chapter 2 of the book "OUT OF THE BLUE" "~The Awakening~ part 2" Although I have stated that I do not believe in this type of code, I am increasingly finding it interesting, and I look forward to reading part three. Well done.
Comment Written 17-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Welcome back chasennov, you are most welcome. I have written this material with a certain amount of fact included to hopefully make it interesting. I hope you continue to enjoy. :) Mel.
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I really have enjoyed it, and I look forward to a lot more, Mel. Regards.
Comment from muezza56
having read the first part of this, I am equally pleased with this. many years ago, when I was at college, the class was divided into two parts, as to whether Richard was guilty of the two princes, I found him not guilty, as their was insufficient evidence, and 'others stood to gain from their demise, so I like the neutrality of this story, and look forward to hearing of henry and Nottingham and his thoughts on them
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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having read the first part of this, I am equally pleased with this. many years ago, when I was at college, the class was divided into two parts, as to whether Richard was guilty of the two princes, I found him not guilty, as their was insufficient evidence, and 'others stood to gain from their demise, so I like the neutrality of this story, and look forward to hearing of henry and Nottingham and his thoughts on them
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Many thanks for looking in again.
I tend to take the same view as yourself. We had it drummed into us at school that he was a monster. So I have done some research about him, and found that to be King in those times you had to eliminate your opposition first. The right heads at the right time.
If you compare him with King Henry VII he appears to be certainly no worse than him. As you say, there is no evidence against Richard, just political spin by the Tudors.
I believe that his downfall was caused by two main factors. His lack of political skill and his disability, these I believe were his undoing. :) Mel.
Comment from Ric Myworld
Thanks for the pleasure of reading another somewhat different chapter that leaves me wanting to know more and wondering where things go from here. This chapter, like the first, drew me and didn't let go. Great job. :-)
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Thanks for the pleasure of reading another somewhat different chapter that leaves me wanting to know more and wondering where things go from here. This chapter, like the first, drew me and didn't let go. Great job. :-)
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Once again Ric, thank you for your kind review. I hope you continue to enjoy the story... :) mel.
Comment from Patrick G Cox
Hi write hand blue,
Ah, if Richard had lived, we might not have seen the great Elizabethan age, but no matter, I look forward to his next revelation ...
Perhaps he can also enlighten us as to the real fate of Edward V and his brother?
Patrick
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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Hi write hand blue,
Ah, if Richard had lived, we might not have seen the great Elizabethan age, but no matter, I look forward to his next revelation ...
Perhaps he can also enlighten us as to the real fate of Edward V and his brother?
Patrick
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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Hi Patrick. If Richard had lived, history would have been different that is for sure.
In a later part of this chapter I put forward an idea of what could have happened to the Princes in the tower.
It is possible he did murder them but we have to be fair, there is no evidence they were killed at all.
The succeeding Tudor dynasty did a political spin job on Richard.
They said he was a murderous cripple. He wasn't a cripple and to be accused by Henry VII of murder is akin to the kettle calling the pot black.
What is not generally known, is that Henry VII systematically did away with the entire Plantagenet family and many others. He was a proven liar and completely ruthless. In his case it seems to have been the general opinion that he was just being a good King and looking after his interests.
While Richard was made out to be some type of murderous madman.
This is what has spurred me on to write this story. There are many others with the same opinion.
His character is at odds with what we read. Described as being too gentle for Kingship. In his short reign he created two laws for the good of the poor that were advanced for his time.
I thank you for reading. :) Mel.
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The Plantagenates were a pretty murderous lot, and it is often forgotten that the Tudor's came from the distaff side of the Plantagenate line. I was Church Warden of Tewkesbury Abbey where the last Lancastrian PoW is buried - killed at the Battle of Tewkesbury, and contemporary accounts of his attitude, behaviour and general conversation suggest we had a lucky escape when he was killed.
I agree Richard was probably a 'good thing' and certainly had ideas ahead of his time, but I don't think Henry Tudor would have got the support he did without their being something in the background we have maybe lost.
Patrick
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Tewkesbury Abbey, one that escaped old Henry VIII? I'm most impressed.
I haven't been able to read these reports about the last Lancastrian PoW (he would have been regarded as a traitor).
It may be interesting to note that the Lancastrians had plans to put all prisoners to the sword if they won.
Question is who wrote these contemporary accounts? If they are church records I would treat them with the same caution. Due to 15 & 16th century politics.
I don't know about the distaff side of the Plantagenates, but Henry Tudor had only a slim claim to the throne.
There is a danger when I try to write as I have about King Richard, that I may be seen as trying to whitewash his character.
I have written a fictional account of what I thought he might have said and perhaps also introduced a little colour based on what we do know. This may or may not be near the mark, who can tell?
He was as you say from a murderous lot. My feelings after the research I have carried out is that he was no worse than say King Henry VII. Who died unmourned by any of his subjects. Yet he carries no stigma against him.
Finally I believe that Henry Tudor just got lucky with his army of half the size of Richards. It would seem that the apparently traitorous Stanley brothers late intervention is what tipped the battle in favour of Henry.
Richard with his disability would have been unable to fight for long periods and I would imagine that he panicked and attacked Henry.
:) mel.
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I suppose Henry's claim depends on who is looking at it, and whether you accept the distaff ascension. He fixed it by marrying a Plantagenate daughter though, so the lineage is preserved. Most of what we know of Edward the PoW comes from his own 'friends' and some of the French nobility. The tell of his constant wanting to 'kill his enemies', of out of control rages - certainly borne out at Tewkesbury where one of his outbursts certainly turned many of his allies against him, and may have caused the collapse of a part of his army during the battle. The sources are not one's under the Tudor hammer, most are his 'friends'. I have a number of very good books on the protagonists at Tewkesbury (hardly surprising, it is where my family come from and some were probably there when it happened). The Abbot sheltered the towns women and children in the church roof during the battle, which ended in the nave of the church itself, with the Yorkists slaughtering the fleeing Lancastrians inside it. (It wasn't a 'Church of Sanctuary' so could only offer a hiding place if you could find one). All the Lancastrian leaders were subsequently executed at the Town Cross and are buried in the North Transept of the Abbey. Edward the PoW was, in defiance of Edward IV, given burial against the North West pier of the tower, and not where the Victorians placed a brass plaque to him, directly beneath the Tower in a place of honour - that would have got the Abbot executed for treason.
The Wars of the Roses were a bloody period in which brother fought brother. Edward IV (winner at Tewkesbury) had his brother Henry VI, if not executed, certainly deprived of the means to live, and Richard was his chief supporter alongside George Duke of Clarence (also buried at Tewkesbury as his wife was one of the Despenser family). Poor old George was another of Richard's victims ... Drowned, it is said, in a butt of wine.
We think Tewkesbury survived for two reasons, the first being that it houses several Royal graves that would have given legitimacy to Henry's claim, the second is the Despensers - rich enough, and powerful enough to be able to 'buy off' Henry. The Abbey church was 'sold' to the townsfolk for 453 Pounds sterling, but all the Abbey buildings around it, except the Abbot's House, were destroyed. Given that the townsfolk numbered around 1,000 and less than 100 of those were what might be termed 'wealthy' and the fact they raised the money in under two years (20 pounds per annum was a very generous annual income then) there is a suggestion that the bulk of the money may have come from Henry himself and the Despenser family whose family tombs are all here.
Visit their website, I think you'll be fascinated.
Patrick
Comment from CHIGYSISKI
Lovely story.Great intriguing plot.
I remember Carol giggled due to nerves (add comma) I think.
"Julia, tis true as you say (add coma)and my wish is for all to be revealed.
Well done! I can't wait for part three.
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Lovely story.Great intriguing plot.
I remember Carol giggled due to nerves (add comma) I think.
"Julia, tis true as you say (add coma)and my wish is for all to be revealed.
Well done! I can't wait for part three.
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 17-Nov-2014
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Thank you CHIGYSISKI, for your help. I'm so pleased you liked it. I hope you continue to enjoy... :) mel.
Comment from Zue65
This is really exciting, a novel way of playing around a historical figure that very few knew about. The blank unknown stages of his short life gave a lot more room for conjecture and courted writers to write , invent and fill up the missing pages. I love this.
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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This is really exciting, a novel way of playing around a historical figure that very few knew about. The blank unknown stages of his short life gave a lot more room for conjecture and courted writers to write , invent and fill up the missing pages. I love this.
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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Thank you nassus1957.
Yes you are right there is a lot we don't know about Richard's life. In the following parts of this chapter I attempt to explain what MAY have happened, and why he acted as he did. Although fiction, I believe it to be NEARER to the truth of what actually happened.
For nearly Five hundred years we have believed the political spin churned out by the Tudors. They painted him as a hunchbacked monster. He was not that, we know from the skeleton.
I hope you continue to enjoy... :) Mel.
Comment from barkingdog
This is so fascinating to read that I know that I didn't stop for some of the possible corrections. But here are several:
-Instead of locking up the department and going home as I have done for the past eleven years, we locked ourselves inside. This gave us the privacy we needed.
-I placed the borrowed voice recorder, a much larger and more complicated device, on the table.
- One of our early questions was 'What do you miss the most?' We found his answers revealing.
-My great intention was to be know(known) as
Now, I'm off to read the next installment. :e
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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This is so fascinating to read that I know that I didn't stop for some of the possible corrections. But here are several:
-Instead of locking up the department and going home as I have done for the past eleven years, we locked ourselves inside. This gave us the privacy we needed.
-I placed the borrowed voice recorder, a much larger and more complicated device, on the table.
- One of our early questions was 'What do you miss the most?' We found his answers revealing.
-My great intention was to be know(known) as
Now, I'm off to read the next installment. :e
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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Thank you once again Ellen.
I hope that reading my parts 1 & 2 out of sync. didn't spoil any enjoyment.
It's always a concern of mine that the standard of punctuation I use, may interfere with the quality and enjoyment of the piece.
This is despite the time I spend trying to get it right.
As always I welcome your help. I've seen to those errors.
I must visit your site. Have good day... :) Mel.
Comment from Eric1
Wellwhb, I am well and truly hooked, what a way to teach history! a thousand times better than a boring history lesson, I love the way you are writing it as a journalist, it just makes itall the more believable, great writing my friend.
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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Wellwhb, I am well and truly hooked, what a way to teach history! a thousand times better than a boring history lesson, I love the way you are writing it as a journalist, it just makes itall the more believable, great writing my friend.
Comment Written 16-Nov-2014
reply by the author on 16-Nov-2014
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Thank you Eric once again. I hope you continue to enjoy. There's a lot more to come. Regards :) Mel.
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You are most welcome Mel.
