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King James version

   Thread Started September 29 at 9:36AM

'But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'

My question is...

Why would a god plant one of these specific trees in the first place, knowing how curious the human mind is?




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RE: King James version
Reply on September 29, 2017 12:46 PM << Modifed September 29 at 10:18PM >>


I chose not to question why Almighty God Jehovah made that decision...the point is, Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden, all that they needed was there, mainly because God chose to make it that way...Yet He also gave them free will, just as all of us have, but there were choices to be made...They made the wrong choice...Adam and Eve decided they didn't have to pay attention to what God said to them.

The difference between what you say, and what I believe is that God, as creator, had the right to demand obedience, or accept the results..they didn't do that and so they committed the first sin.

It all depends on what we believe to come to our decisions on the authority of the creator of all things, including humans, and because I believe in that authority I chose not to question Almighty God...he didn't force them to commit that first sin, they made that choice and brought upon themselves the resulting punishment..

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Reply on September 29, 2017 08:07 PM
I believe in the Bible 100 percent....BUT...I too have questions.

1. Why was the tree even there, if God knows past, present, future...He KNEW what would happen.
2. Why was the serpent in the Garden to begin with?
3. If it never rained before Noah's ark...where did all the snow in the Ice Ages come from?
4. And my biggest....what's the POINT of it all? If everything was 'pre-known' then it seems a huge celestial play. Some of us don't have the greatest parts. BUT....it has been suggested that because of free will, God doesn't know our minds until we make decisions, choices. We must make Him sad, if that's the case.

Bottom line....I believe.


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Reply on September 29, 2017 10:04 PM
Well, I guess we all have to thank them both for being unable to resist the tree's temptation, but how come they didn't both die on the day of consumption as was written?

Sorry for my ignorance but I am not a religious person although I find the subject of all religions fascinating.


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Reply on September 29, 2017 10:51 PM
Talking of Noah, how on earth could he have gathered all of these animals?

I mean can you imagine this enormous task, even today, let alone thousands of years ago.

How did he manage to sex them all? An insect for eg... how would he have known? And how could he have kept them all fed? The carnivores alone would have proven rather tricky.

What was it... forty days? Imagine how much food he would have had to store!

Something doesn't add up here.

I appreciate the fact that god apparently moves in mysterious ways, but this is a little hard to swallow.

Please enlighten me.

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Reply on September 29, 2017 11:19 PM


Hi, Irish Rain, I Too believe in the Bible 100 percent, and we will have questions...

Almighty God gave to Adam and Eve all that they needed, He didn't know in advance that they would not obey Him, by eating the one tree in that garden...I don't believe God knew they would not obey...yes God is all knowing, is every where, and see all things...but the fact that we have free will, allows human to decide whether they want to obey Him or not...the same is true even today...yet we have a choice...though perfect we will never be we should try....Adam and Eve allowed the serpent to fool them, cloud their minds, Eve was told by the serpent that they didn't have to obey God, and nothing would happen to them.

Satan used the serpent as his representative...but was once a perfect , but allowed his feelings of self- importance to overcome him, and began to want to be worshiped
the same as Almighty God.

What we know as the Ice ages, came about as the wold began to evolve.

I don't believe all that is happening now was known when Almighty God decided to created the universe, and man...there wouldn't have been any sense to that if He knew we would only disobey...why would He have created all the wonderful things we have, plants, animals, rainbows, and all that gives us pleasure...Free will is our own enemy.

Because we do have free will, God doesn't know what we will do, until we do it, that's what free will is all about...the Bible presents us what we need do to show God that we are indeed willing to believe in Him, and to love and obey Him...will we be perfect , No!, but we can still try...the Lord's Prayer is a wonderful example of what we should ask for, and He will listen as long as we ask in the name of His only begotten son Jesus Christ...its up to each of us to do good, or to do bad...to believe in Him or not...

There's so much more that might answer your questions, but the main thing, is to believe in the Bible, study it so that we know just what God expects of us.

I hope my thoughts have given you just a bit of what I have come to believe in all my adult life...not all just a bit...

Although Adam and Eve didn't die that day...when God created them they could have lived for all eternity..but after they sinned, eventually as God promised they did die.


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Reply on September 29, 2017 11:50 PM
Hi there, Vicky.


I appreciate the fact that you prefer not to ask why god does what he does, but for me 'an unbeliever' I find it rather odd that he planted the tree in the first place.

It's like giving a child a bag of his/her favorite sweets and telling him/her not to eat them.

I don't understand. This just seems rather like a manipulative game.

Also, didn't god say they would die on the day of eating said fruit?

He didn't say 'you will become mortal'. He specifically said, eat this and you will drop down dead!

It's all rather confusing...


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Reply on September 30, 2017 12:14 AM
Thank you Miss Victoria...yes, that makes sense. God not knowing what we'll do, until we do it, leaves much in our hands....which we continually drop.
Trimple...they did die to eternal life, which they had, until they disobeyed. Which is why Jesus came, later.
Noah's ark...I would imagine if God could create the critters, he could certainly round them up, and point them in the direction of the ark. Possibly causing a sleep, a hibernation to come over them, for the duration of the flood. My guesses.


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Reply on September 30, 2017 12:24 AM
There are over 1,000 species of snail native to Australia, and they aren't renowned for their swimming ability. I wonder how they made it there and back within their life span of 2-10 years? Maybe they hitched a ride on a wombat.


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RE: King James version
Reply on September 30, 2017 12:55 AM
Irish rain says...

Noah's ark...I would imagine if God could create the critters, he could certainly round them up, and point them in the direction of the ark. Possibly causing a sleep, a hibernation to come over them, for the duration of the flood. My guesses.

So how would a lion swim across the sea? Or a robin fly halfway around the world when they are prone to nipping just around the block?




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Reply on September 30, 2017 01:45 AM
it was a burning coal, red hot with why. your question...why the tree, being Omni all. I asked many who dressed and professed blessed with enlightenment. why...? most became irritated without answer. at the time i hungered for everything Jesus...no answer holds no nourishment. then someone did...quickly without hesitation...choice. what do you mean...thats not much of a choice...do and die. if we believe God is responsible for all life...that He created us and everything...so intricately awesome the smartest of us havent figured out how...else but Him. then this is a omni intelligent Force, Being, Spirit, Father.
again we have to remember He was before us...and so was other life. for sure we know in the heavenly realm, even here on earth...were cast the fallen angels.
Ive often wonder what it must have been like...when Lucifer rebelled and coaxed others to join...in choosing. what would He do...surely was the expectation of every living thing. and we read...He cast them out of heaven and created us. and the domino effect. knowing the trees temptation would over power eventually.
and thus began the lesson of wrong choice. lived out loud in every one of us. proven over and over again...which choice is best...life. yes, i too sometimes pause at the ah ahhh hardness, the granite weight of consequence...and the necessity of our lives lived out. but its all in there in His Word...in so many exampled lives. what would you do if you had it all...if you were a notch above the rest of us....like Solomon. well...its in there...us....he tried everything, every single thing this world offered twice over....and....?

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