No need to learnThread Started August 7 at 9:36PM
Today, I was informed by a fellow FanStorian that my input on their writing was not needed because they saw the same mistakes I pointed out used by 'published' authors. So, no revisions would be made because I didn't know what I was talking about.
We are once again being told that no one really wants to learn about how to write, they simply want praise and stars for their pretty stories.
I'm almost to the point of leaving for a bit. I just got word that I need to work on an old work for possible publication, my Bernie and Howie series is well received by the Veterinarian community, and I think I'm short on time and patience for folks who are just looking for pats on the backs.
Reply on August 7, 2017 10:23 PM
If the person upset you enough to make you think of leaving, and especially if they said you didn't know what you were talking about, you can report the response to Tom. Attacking a reviewer is against site rules. It isn't tattling to report it, it's the way we police ourselves and it prevents similar attacks on other reviewers.
As far as the writing having seen the same writing in published books, so what? If a writer is published and has proved he or she can earn money for the publisher, that's all that matters to them. However, if an unknown writer sent in a manuscript with the same mistake, the same publisher might send it back with a rejection.
I've been writing at least since the early grades in school, and I'm 82. I'm STILL learning better ways to do things. So, Patty, review my stuff anytime you like!
Reply on August 7, 2017 11:43 PM
Yes, Patty, it can get frustrating sometimes when one takes the care and time to offer constructive critique and gets 'rewarded' for those sincere efforts with immature, rude and ego-driven reactions instead of the engaging, respectful and kind responses one would expect from 'non-vanity' writers. You'll find there are quite a number of the latter on here...and a handful of the former as well (though not many are so directly rude).
I recommend taking a break for a bit and letting yourself cool down. Then search for those who resonate with your reasons for being here (like Nor, and myself, and others)...
Fanstory has changed a lot since I first came here. It will tend to reflect the preferences of the members...collectively.
I agree with Nor - that reaction should be reported. Tom will not tolerate personal attacks on members--nor should we. I've been the brunt of those a number of times in the past. My advice, should you seek it, is to cultivate compassion for such people...they live in a mind and a heart that are closed and constricted. It's a painful way to live.
Reply on August 8, 2017 01:23 AM
Here's the thing, very simply put.
In the words of Elsa - 'Let it go... let it go...'
Ditto about the abuse.
Reply on August 8, 2017 02:41 AM
I will always remember one instance where I gave a lengthy review with three stars. It infuriated the writer so much that he reviewed one of mine and was dumb enough to give it one star with a note, "now you know how it feels."
I reported him and then I muted him. Tom removed the revenge review and suspended him, if I remember correctly.
He left the site shortly thereafter, and I forgot all about it. Two years later, he contacted me through a mutual friend. He wanted me to review that piece again because it finally dawned on him that I was right and he was wrong.
I reviewed it.
Sure, some people would say to let it go and consider the source, but that's not my style. I don't get mad, I get even.
Reply on August 8, 2017 03:13 AM
Yes... I find that patience and not reacting to the egos sometimes helps such members slowly come to terms with the fact that they have more to learn and that constructive critique is valuable: CONSTRUCTIVE being the operative word. It is not intended to be destructive, and it is unfair that people label such reviews as 'mean' when they are actually 'helpful'.
In my opinion, if a reviewer delivers a kindly-intended critique, the response should never be negative, even if there are errors in thier feedback. People think that not-being-defensive in replies to reviews means one cannot challenge wrong feedback, but that is not true. One can state a fact or opinion without using a defensive or offensive tone. Discussion is permitted. Defensiveness is not. (That's my two cents and ongoing interpretation of the rules...and I have been accused of 'defending my work' for stating such facts.)
For example, if someone marks you down to a three because they thought your haiku contest entry was too short, you can inform them of the form and let them know thier mistake without sounding defensive. Example:
"Thank you for your honest feedback. You may not be aware of the rules haiku form. Please note that they have a three line structure, so this poem could not be made longer and still qualify for the contest."
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Reply on August 8, 2017 09:19 AM
I have said it often, and still believe it...every writer is not a good reviewer...I know that goes for me, and that's why I don't review stories.
This subject comes up so often, and the same comments are made...I think its clear some here, do so for reasons other than trying to better what they write...and whether we like it or not, they pay for the privilege...I've learned that well, and so there are many writers whose reviews I value very much, but there are others that get down to the nitty gritty of poetry writing, can see past my words, appreciate the use of difficult forms, and I love them both.
This is a different kind of site than it was when I first joined, (2004)...but there are still some darn good reviewers here, and I look forward to having them read my work...Unless there is a personal attack Tom's not going to do anything about it...no one should be disrespected for any reason, and all that's left for us to do is mute them!
So if one finds they are wasting their time, then its up to them to limit themselves to the writing of those that show they want honest reviews...its as simply as that, many people just want to vent, rant, express their happiness, and yes sadness, and eventually if one reads enough those writers make themselves known.
I've seen poems reviewed to the point of changing the original meaning...( if one reads the work before the changes)...and its happened to mine as well...
I've also seen in my time here, reviews that were not always helpful, especially where poetry writing is concerned...yet I never hear any comments about that, so I will continue to appreciate every writer that reads my work, while holding dear specific reviewers realizing they will make every single corrections as needed...yet continue to encourage...
In that way I show appreciation to every one that takes their time to read my work...and I believe that's how it should be...at least for me.
Just Some thoughts!
Reply on August 8, 2017 10:42 AM
Thank you all of you who expressed your thoughts. In light of the letter I received from a publisher yesterday, I'm going to concentrate on the big project of getting my book ready, and maybe drop in to post a poem or two for awhile.
I DO appreciate the support I've received from you guys - AND I'm very thankful for the valued input I've had on my writing - it helped me tremendously.
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Reply on September 8, 2017 05:26 PM
Don't you dare leave!
Good reviewers are important to the balance of this site. Those of us who are serious about getting honest feedback would leave if honest feedback was not forth coming. As would the fluffers leave if they didn't get their fluff. Tom wants us all.
Clearly you fall into the honest reviewer category. That's awesome in my books because I seriously need all the help I can get.
When I review, I try to stick to my strong points and leave the bits I'm not sure of to those who know better.
You don't always make friends, but that's fine, you need to know who the incompatible ones are so you don't waste your time on them in future.
Three star one of my pieces and you'll end up in a serious conversation analysing the piece and discussing the various corrections required. And probably a reviewer nomination.
Others may well say thanks and can I have my stars please. I want to look good on the site.
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Reply on September 8, 2017 08:55 PM
Don't go! We'd miss you. 8-)
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Reply on September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
Hey there are plenty of us out here who do want to learn! I can't really afford the classes here or for sure pay for a college course. My favorite reviewers teach me somethingin every review and when I get five or six stars from one of them I know I earned it!
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