What are we supposed to review?Thread Started February 8 at 8:48PM
A writer's input was more than half quotations from another writing, Bible verse. I said it was an excellent piece to orate from a pulpit. I could not review quotations from the unknown interpreters and translators of the KJNV Bible.
Reply on February 8, 2018 09:35 PM << Modifed February 8 at 9:45PM >>
I have seen this before, a while back. One submission was an entire chapter copied verbatim from the Bible, with one sentence of commentary underneath. You should have seen all the six star reviews it got! And no, the single sentence was not astoundingly brilliant in any way, shape or form. It was simply a restatement of the thrust of the passage. Tribalism is one thing, but that's taking it too far. If I'd reviewed it (which I didn't) I would have awarded my six stars to King David.
Although, that gives me a thought. Perhaps if I quote an entire chapter from a Dawkins book, and underneath put "Nature is brilliant!", do you think I'd get a swag of sixes for it? I can add extra exclamation points if required.
Reply on February 9, 2018 03:22 AM
Well, Henry, I've been here since 2006 and I've never seen anything like that. If I had, my response would have been to select the "skip" button, if there was one. (There is, if you're reading some of the newly-posted entries.)
Some people are here to receive reviews and improve their craft, some just want their creation to be read, but some others only want to give their opinions about politics, religion, or whatever.
Reply on February 9, 2018 07:45 AM
None of which I have a problem with. People can write for many different reasons, and if I find something not interesting for any reason, I can skip it, as you suggest.
But as the opening post points out, and I think mine is a more extreme example, we're not even being asked to assess the work of the person who put the poem or story out there. It's somebody else's work we are assessing.
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Reply on February 9, 2018 10:00 AM
If we find ourselves in the position you mention, my advice would be to simply skip such a piece...people write for many reasons, some are not concerned with reasoned reviews....but we are not forced to ready anything that's not to our liking...further, if you feel a specific piece is offensive, it might be a good idea to notify Tom...He takes our questions seriously and will respond to you in a timely fashion...
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Reply on February 9, 2018 01:55 PM
It's not a matter of being offended, it is about following site rules and personal integrity.
This is what we agree to whenever we post work here...
"I agree that I wrote this and created any electronic images or audio that may accompany it. and I agree that this is my original work and that all rights to it are mine "
Clearly the writers referred to here have broken that agreement and should be referred to Tom.
I once came across a poem in the Poem of the Month entries that I recognised. Ir was good to see it had made POM since it was written by one of Australia's best-known poets! I messaged Tom, the entry was withdrawn and the writer's account suspended (although I think she is back now)...
On the other hand, when I and others recognised that a particular story-line had been stolen from a famous author and in places the words were almost identical to the original, that was allowed to stand on the basis that the writer had merely borrowed themes and ideas.... Piffle! That is as much plagiarism as copying word for word and that writer made a habit of it and got away with it for years,
Reply on February 9, 2018 02:26 PM
I thank each of you. The best thing is push the skip button. I will do that.
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Reply on February 9, 2018 04:54 PM
I certainly wish you well, enjoy yourself, this can be a very pleasant site to write on, you will find that to be true very soon...
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Reply on February 14, 2018 11:54 AM << Modifed February 14 at 12:07PM >>
I've seen it before, a long time ago. I rated it accordingly (I was a newbie, then) and said in my review that there simply wasn't enough of the author's own words in there. I got a mouthful back, so I just skip that sort of thing if I see it now.
I did have a bit of a row once (and Tom got involved) in the forums, in which I objected to people submitting old jokes. The answer I got was that it wasn't plagiarism if nobody knows who wrote it. I don't see it like that. If you know you didn't write it, but you pass it off as your own, that is plagiarism. And people who aren't familiar with the gags WILL think it is your work.
At least the bible quoter wasn't pretending to have written the passages himself
Reply on February 19, 2018 01:51 AM
Totally agree with you. We all have to certify something as our own creation each time we post. Maybe it isn't plagiarism to steal a joke that is decades old and all over the Internet, but it's wrong. These writers lie when they post, because they know the work is not original. And that should get them in trouble with the site. Unfortunately, Tom doesn't see it that way.
Reply on February 19, 2018 02:21 AM
Sadly, many times people steal things from others. Plagiarism doesn't just cover the words, but also the intellectualism of the piece.
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