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New Club - Grammar Club

   Thread Started January 30 at 4:46PM

I've started a new club to help every one battle the grammar nazis. Each week we will take on a different part of speech or punctuation mark and after learning a bit about it, we will be challenged to write a story using our new skill to the fullest!!



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RE: New Club - Grammar Club

Reply on January 31, 2018 05:22 AM
That's a good idea.

Feel a need to voice this:

I am not a fan of the term 'grammar nazis' - it's so unkind to those who take time to help! I am sure you did not mean it that way, necessarily (because you're a nice person!), but the idea of 'battling' comes off as contentious, as if those who review with helpful suggestions are 'out to get you' when they are actually out to support you.

My two cents. I recommend rephrasing the premise of the group to something more positive in spirit...




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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on January 31, 2018 07:12 AM
Hi Rama (and anyone else who was offended)

I have eliminated the offensive word and the spirit of the club will be to LEARN and thereby avoid the mistakes.

Thanks for letting me know it could be taken the wrong way,

~patty~

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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on January 31, 2018 09:44 AM << Modifed January 31 at 9:45AM >>


I find the use of those words ( grammar nazis) very offensive, if I was someone that wanted to join, perhaps just changing the invitation might be more encouraging...


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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on January 31, 2018 10:31 AM
I did change the invitation for the club, and since I couldn't amend the post on the Forum, I gave the apology.

~patty~


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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on January 31, 2018 12:44 PM << Modifed January 31 at 12:45PM >>
Thanks for your gracious response, dear Patty. Because I know you, I sensed you had no ill intent. I think you made the right choice to reword it! :-))) xxoo


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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on January 31, 2018 01:13 PM << Modifed January 31 at 1:15PM >>
You can't edit once people have responded.

UNFORTUNATELY. LOL

I've wanted to sooooooo many times. :))

It's a common phrase used without ill intent. In thinking about it, it is ill-advised. Good to point out.

I'm in, Patty.

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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on February 1, 2018 07:23 PM
I hope the club will address two of my pet peeves: The exclamation point, which should be used for an exclamation, i.e., in dialogue. It should be used sparingly. And the ellipsis, which is supposed to denote a trailing off in dialogue, and when overused makes the writing look like it's got the measles.


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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on February 1, 2018 09:06 PM << Modifed February 1 at 9:15PM >>
I got to thinking about the ellipsis and looked it up. I thought there were more uses than just dialogue trailing off. I found this on the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, Dictionary.com, Cambridge English Dictionary, and
Oxford Dictionaries.

noun, plural ellipses [ih-lip-seez] (Show IPA)
1.
Grammar.
the omission from a sentence or other construction of one or more words that would complete or clarify the construction, as the omission of who are, while I am, or while we are from I like to interview people sitting down.
the omission of one or more items from a construction in order to avoid repeating the identical or equivalent items that are in a preceding or following construction, as the omission of been to Paris from the second clause of I've been to Paris, but they haven't.
2.
Printing. a mark or marks as ??, ?, or * * *, to indicate an omission or suppression of letters or words.

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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on February 1, 2018 09:31 PM << Modifed February 1 at 9:43PM >>
In fiction, the ellipsis is used in dialogue. In nonfiction, there are other uses. It might have a similar purpose in first person internal monologue or first person narrative. I should be able to provide something from A DASH OF STYLE, by Noah Lukeman, in which he explains the uses of punctuation in fiction.

OK, here it is. I recommend this book to anyone who wants to know about punctuating fiction. Mr. Lukeman says of the points of ellipsis:

"It performs a unique function in allowing a writer to indicate a trailing off, or a brief passing of time. It is, at its most restrained, and most effective, in dialogue.

"In an amateur's hands, though, ellipsis points can be a problem. Like italics, they can become a bad habit."

Excerpt from A Dash of Style, author Noah Lukeman.



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RE: New Club - Grammar Club
Reply on February 2, 2018 01:55 AM << Modifed February 2 at 2:27AM >>
So from the excerpt here, you can see it is not ONLY used in dialogue, just at its most restrained and effective when done so, but NOT exclusively...

Although, that particular text is very good. It is more concerned with punctuation as style usage than grammar though; effectiveness and meaning over pedantry and correctness.

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