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Cancel Culture?


'cancel culture' is the term du jour. Some think cancel culture doesn't exist, that the term was invented by the right to throw at the left. Some say cancel culture exists and is a terrible example of woke liberalism, ruining the nation, etc.

Here is the uncomfortable truth. Yes, cancel culture exists, but it is far from being a new concept. The notion that it is a 21st century liberal invention is indicative not just of a lack of knowledge of history, but if you are older than 30, very short memories.

Modern cancel culture is defined by Webster's dictionaras the mass withdrawal of support for public figures or celebrities who have done something that isn't socially acceptable. Typically this is done through social media, and can result in loss of position for the targeted individual, but this doesn't mean it's a new thing.

What we now refer to as 'cancel culture' has been practiced for centuries in the form of effectively 'cancelling' those who stray from socially acceptable norms by ostracision. It's just that, for centuries, it was practiced in the main by those in power who decided the social 'rules' for the majority.

in the Victorian era, cancel culture thrived. It was quite easy to lose your position in society by failing to observe that which was socially acceptable to your class. In the middle ages, you could be publicly shamed and tortured for behaving differently to the expected norm.

In the 20th century, whole groups of people were, effectively, canceled. Homosexuals being one of the best examples. People lost their jobs because of what they did in the bedroom. Up until the mid sixties in the UK, you could be imprisoned. Gay relationships weren't shown on television, because of the cancel culture of the day.

We perceive the toppling of statues as cancel culture, yet we do not consider that there are statues that were never erected....because of cancel culture. People claim history is being erased, but again, that isn't anything new. In actual fact, many of the statues toppled in the UK exist in the first place because of some careful editing of history.

Far from being some woke, leftist invention, cancel culture is actually historically more the preserve of conservatism, both social and political. From shaming unwed mothers to forcing homosexuality into the shadows, Conservatism has controlled generations, often using religion to do so.

I put it to you that the truth of modern cancel culture is simply that it is now practiced by a different demographic. One which contains representatives from sections of society who spent years under the cosh of conservative cancel culture.



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RE: Cancel Culture?

Very well said, Emma. You've done a brilliant job of showing how the far-right have traditionally been the ones to attempt to shut down anything with which they don't personally agree.

You seem to be suggesting that 'cancel culture' has become a tool of the left and/or centre-left. I don't disagree that they are now successfully employing the tactic against those who invented it, but I think it's important to note it hasn't ceased to be a tool of the right.

This article (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-library-books-banned-schools-rcna12986) gives a list of 50 books that parents in Texas want removed from their school libraries, largely because most of them contain references to someone making personal life choices they don't like, or they spread subversive messages such as racial and gender equality and acceptance of those different from us.

Cancel culture at its finest.

But if they want to practice cancel culture, shouldn't they be banning books which promote violence, racism, misogyny and intolerance? Books which endorse polygamy, murder and slavery? Can anyone suggest which might be first on the banned list if such a policy were adopted?

Of course, the church already has famously banned one such book in times past, that didn't go down too well with some of its constituents.

I don't hear "liberals" or "leftists" clamouring for the banning of books by Billy Graham, Ken Copeland, John Bunyan, John Foxe or John Calvin, as offensive as they might find the content.

Perhaps when speaking about "cancel culture", we need to look at exactly what is being "cancelled", and why.





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RE: Cancel Culture?
Hi Craig
What I meant was, it's commonly attributed to the left/liberals now, but you are correct, it is still widely practiced by the so-called 'freedom loving' right.

I find it very interesting to see English folk moaning that you can't say anything these days as though Mary Whitehouse never existed. Mary Whitehouse was a conservative campaigner who set up the National Viewers and Listeners Association and promoted wholesome viewing. She was a bit of a figure of fun (one group of comedians in the 90s called their TV show 'the Mary Whitehouse experience', but she had a lot of support. If you think people are easily offended now, they've got nothing on Mary Whitehouse.




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I remember Mary Whitehouse. She and Malcolm Muggeridge visited these shores, more than once each, I think. They teamed up with a gentleman named the Rev. Hon. Fred Nile (he insists the Rev comes first) out here with the purpose of saving us all from ourselves.

Guess they failed, we're still largely the same apostate crowd we've always been.


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My favourite Mary Whitehouse story came from the late, great Barry Cryer. He met her at some BBC do in the eighties. He said, 'I'd like to thank you'. She said, 'why?'. He said, 'I work on the Kenny Everett Show. You made us!'. She really didn't approve of that show, which made everyone want to watch it to see what the fuss was about.

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RE: Cancel Culture?
So many examples to consider.

A recent one is the uproar about the graphic novel Maus which I believe depicts the Holocaust using mice as the Jewish characters. Other nationalities appear as other animals. It is the first graphic novel to win the Pulitzer Prize.

One of the reasons some right-wingers want it banned is that it has nudity. Yep, some of the mice in that concentration camp don't wear clothes.

Appalling!


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Well, you know, nude mice might encourage bestiality...Meanwhile, some right wingers are all bent out of shape because the green M &M isn't as sexy as she once was. I mean, make up your minds!!!Nude mice are a no-no, but a sexy cartoon chocolate covered sweetie is a must.

   




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