RE: Fascism
All I hear is a bunch of hot air, and I think I just mentioned in the other thread what orifice it came from.
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RE: Fascism
Real question, is there something wrong with CD? Why must he constantly insult those who disagree with his world view? I mean seriously, are we sure he is not a teen or something? This is getting annoying. Why can't we simply discuss like adults?
RE: Fascism
The problem with is with people who demonstrate no empathy for the people who are waiting in line, trying to do the right thing, but have plenty of empathy with those who invited themselves in. This perspective is purely antiauthoritarian for its own sake, while sacrificing principles for sentimentalism. And sentimentalism is a particularly insidious American disease.
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RE: Fascism
Actually, Harambee, the problem is Trump hatred.
Obama did raids, millions deported, some with limited or no Due Process (yes, he immediately deported many of crossed the border... as the law allows). Even, Biden deported some, and neither shut down ICE.
There were no attempts to shut down ICE during Democrat administrations, no protests, no sob stories of illegal being deports or families being separated. AND no one on this forum speaking about the topic either.
Actually, there are no threads about any other country deporting illegals or doing raids or bad New Zealand or Australia or the UKs or Canada or Mexico, or South Africa or any other country's immigration policies or actions. NONE AT ALL.
And why does the rest of the world (no matter what they do) get a pass? Because the opposition isn't about immigration, legal, illegal, or compassion. It's simply because they hate Trump. I just wish they had the integrity to admit it.
RE: Fascism
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I'm going to answer this absolute drivel one post at a time, because there is so much stupidity in there, it needs to sink in.
1) Harambe: They is the LAPD, obviously. The same ones who seem to have made it their current life's mission to go around shooting innocent pedestrians and reporters all over the place. Big tough guys. Your heroes. What was fired? Well, she's not dead, so it probably wasn't live bullets. My guess would be rubber ones, though I suppose it could be potato pellets - they were quite popular with 8-year-olds when I was young. By the way, rubber bullets can be lethal, and they can cause nasty injuries. How much detail do you need? Is it not obvious? It's all on camera. Stupid objection.
2) Lancellot: Glad you find it all so amusing. Why does it not surprise me that thuggery gives you a boner? "She was repeatedly warned". How do you know, there is no evidence of that in the video. Answer: you made it up. You love to do that, don't you? "...even the person videoing said, they keep telling her to move". No, they didn't. Yet another lie out of your mouth. I've watched the entire thing, and she said no such thing. "The stupid is strong in that woman..." "What did that idiot think was going to happen?" Well, my guess is that her last thought would have been, confronted with at least seven, maybe more, armed police, wearing full body armour, she would be shot, almost point blank, while standing still talking to them. Big, brave cops. She was telling them her house was right near by, and all she wanted to do was go home... possibly so she could obey the frigging curfew! What sort of sick, demented mind takes the side of these brutal thugs? What sort of weirdo thinks that rather than let her into her house, they should send a woman out, into the dark, to wander the streets with angry protesters, and stupid, gun-happy police everywhere? Or shoot her. The sad part is not that they let her vote, but that they let you vote.
3) Harambe: "They are illegal immigrants". How on Earth would you know? Granted, most likely they are, even if their "crime" was committed 20 or 40 years ago. The point is, without their day in court, no one knows that for certain. When someone is charged with a crime (which is what you claim this is), that has to be proved to the satisfaction of a judge or jury before it's established as fact. But due process (which, as I understand it, was previously tossed aside by Biden, shame on him) is not something current Republicans gives a rat's arse about. The fact someone else did the unthinkable is not justification for this administration's bastardry.
4) Lancellot: Same question to you. You claim I've insulted you. Show me where I've called your sanity or intelligence into question. Yet you have asked that question of me ("what is wrong with you") at least three times in recent days. I've never denied your right to post on here, regardless how stupid the contents might be. Yet you constantly attempt to deny me the same privilege. You are, like the tangerine twat in the Oval Office you so much admire, a bully. It is evident in everything you say. In the way you treat those who disagree with you here, to the way you react to perfectly innocent civilians and press becoming the targets of jackbooted thugs masquerading as police. It's your standard response to anyone who doesn't accept your authoritarian, tyrannical idea of heaven.
5) Harambe: Sentimentalism, as you call it, is not the problem. What you call sentimentalism is actually empathy, compassion and decency. The "authoritarianism" as you describe it, being demonstrated by this administration is pure thuggery. It's not cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer, it's many magnitudes of pathetic beyond that. And it's all to show the sort of morons who thought Jan 6 was a wonderful thing what a tough guy Donald Trump is. And the dim-witted who share his wet dreams about being macho heroes are lapping it up.
RE: Fascism
To answer your question, Lance, I don't know. I also don't know what would happen if Hamas surrendered.
I know what I think COULD happen in both scenarios. Neither would be easy. Neither is unicorns and roses. Two sides at enmity for all this time, still living next door to eachother is going to be difficult.
I suspect you think Hamas won't leave it there, and yes, that's possible. But of the two options - Hamas surrendering or Israel backing down - I 'd say the chances were higher, if marginal, of a more lasting solution if the latter happened.
If the former happened, Hamas surrendering, it still leaves the grievance, doesn't it? Seething underneath. Oh, there'd be an uneasy truce for a time, and it might be years, but it will resurface again, maybe with a different insurgent group.
And we have to ask, what happens to the citizens of Gaza if they come under Israeli governance? How will they really be treated?
Now let's suppose Israel has a new government which stands down, lets go and offers the olive branch. Hamas really isn't going to get anywhere with trying to take anything further. It's now going to be in the position of being undoubtedly in the wrong. It will not be able to claim it is not the aggressor.
What I think could happen in that situation is that Hamas does not remain in power in Gaza for long. I doubt any such action by Israel would be unconditional, in any case.
But honestly, all this is conjecture. I don't know. I don't think you know either, Lance.
All this has been going on for so long. There's never going to be an easy answer. It's not a classroom logic question. None of that changes the fact that, having picked a 'side', we have turned a blind eye in the past to some of the actions of those we chose to support.
But that's what happens in war. Sides are taken. Governments making decisions on who to support don't make them with simplistic notions of good and bad, right and wrong. It's a complex web of power, self-interest and money.
If the leaders of Israel turned on the West in the way Hussein and Gaddafi did, the West would switch 'sides' just as it did with Hussein and Gaddafi, both of whom were the darlings of the Reagan/Thatcher reign.
For us mere layfolk looking on, we can have all the opinions we want, sentimental or even logical, but we can only ever scratch the surface of the complexities of what is playing out.
Who knows, if we'd left them to it in the first place, it might have been over long ago. Then again, it might not.
I can only repeat, I'm on the 'side' of the poor buggers who have only ever known this state of affairs, who don't know what it is to live in peace.
RE: Fascism
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Then there's this:
Apparently, American police are so poorly trained in marksmanship, they can't even hit the ground.
RE: Fascism
No, not a dictator or tyrant. Here is what Donald Trump said when he didn't realise he was being recorded:
(He is talking about his pinup boy... no, not Vladimir, the other one, Jong Un)
"He is the head of the country, and I mean he is the strong head. Don't let anyone think anything different. He speaks, and his people sit up and pay attention. I want my people to do the same."
Wanker.
RE: Fascism
More police not being violent thugs:
RE: Fascism
The LAPD have a particularly poor reputation among the nation's police, and yes shooting someone with a rubber bullet may escalate a situation. My point exactly. You are scared of US Marines, but they are probably the least likely ones to be out of control.
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