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It was a cache issue, not a cookies issue, but yes that seems to have fixed it.

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The fact that this war has nothing to do with Gaza is irrelevant to the point made that Israel have bombed civilians.

Iran bombs civilians and that's a reason to 'side' with the nation whose civilians were bombed. Israel bombs civilians and governmental, if not public, support remains with them. Different war, but still double standards.

No, it isn't about 'right' and 'wrong'. You are right, it's about where the damn money is.

I have said before, the US doesn't get involved because it gives two shiny hoots about bombed civilians. Neither does the UK. We have been blindly supporting Israel doing just that for decades.

Israel hasn't got a stable, democratic government at the moment either. But it's got a government that isn't currently likely to turn on us.

Iran is not known to currently have nuclear weapons. Are we going down the WMD rabbit hole again? Tony Blair went there with Iraq. On what turned out to be dodgy intelligence.

You see, WMDs are a great justification. Tony Blair wanted intelligence to find him a reason to get involved. Funnily enough, intelligence (and I use the word advisedly) tends to be rather good at finding excuses.

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Exactly, or to put it more euphemistically, it is about trade security. Iran is a persistent threat to trade security. It is obliquely about MAD as well though because the present run regime has maintained that Israeli state should not exist, and an alignment of their rhetoric with their capability is something the Jews see as an existential threat, since they have survived an existential threat in the last century. And Islamic terrorists have persistently shown their willingness to sacrifice themselves and those around them for jihad.

Now, while I personally doubt that a nation state would sacrifice its people to do that on a wide scale, how stable is Iran's government really?

And if global trade is itself an organism of sorts, why would that organism permit a parasite threatening its security to thrive, and grow large enough that it can permanently secure its disruptive influence through MAD?

Israel is simply striking while the iron is hot. The current state of events is as inevitable as the course of human evolution was.

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Here's the thing, Iran bombs/kills civilians, Israel and Hamas kills civilians. Hell, the US, UK, Ukraine, China, all of us have killed civilians or dropped bombs/drones on their heads.

Israel vs. Iran is just one more war in a long human history of wars and conflicts. Just like there is no such thing as an Honest politician. What's the point? There will be another war next year. There will be another US president "certain" people hate, no matter country they are from.

Sometimes, I think people just need someone to be the target of their anger, frustration, and hate. Today it is Trump, tomorrow it will be someone else, they've convinced themselves is the threat to democracy or peace or trade or whatever concept fits their agenda.

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I don't see how bombing Iran is about Gaza unless Craig is going to make a case about momentum and timing, but I look forward to hearing his argument when he returns.

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I agree about war, Lance. I really do.

The thing is, these wars in the Middle East are contained between the nations involved. When we get involved, we risk expanding the problem. Whilst I accept Harambe's point about economic concerns, when it comes to the Middle East, I don't buy 'global security'.

Because this isn't about us. Even if Iran did turn out to have WMDs, giving them more of a reason to turn their attention in this direction just doesn't seem like a good idea.

That part of the world has been scrapping on and off for my entire life. Absolutely nothing we have done there has resulted in permanent peace, because, as I said on another thread some time ago, we have waded in on something we don't really understand for our own purposes.

It's like trying to flatten a big bubble by sitting on a part of it and wondering why another bit gets bigger when we do that.

For us, as Harambe says, it isn't about right and wrong. For THEM, it is. For them, it isn't global, it's personal. That's why we haven't been able to engineer any sort of lasting peace. We don't resolve the myriad of complicated problems that lead to the unrest because we can't.

Some of the problems are, to be fair, a direct result of our interference way back in the past. By 'us', here, I'm talking about the British 'us'. We simply cannot ignore the Balfour declaration, which ultimately led to the UN partition plan, which resulted in the 1948 war. There has been unrest in that region ever since.

What would have happened if British Mandate Palestine had not been split by the partition plan enacted in 1947?

We'll never know and we can't undo what was done, but it should have taught us a better lesson about interfering for our own ends.

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The US just bombed three Iran nuclear facilities. Details pending.

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Yeah, I saw that new conference. Bad move.