This just in: Musk says "yes" in response to post calling for Trump's impeachment. The alliance appears to be over. The fallout could be really bad for the country.
I'm just wondering why you say it could be bad, Harambe? Not trying to be snarky, or contentious, I'm just interested in what you think might happen.
My initial reaction is that this "feud", with Musk calling for Trump's impeachment, and Trump threatening to deport Musk might be the best thing that could possibly have happened.
Why? Because maybe, finally, after years of being told the bleeding obvious, some of the people who voted this sh*tshow into existence will WTFU and realise just how corrupt, how vile, how un-American this administration, and the GOP in general, have become. Who knows what will come to light with these two going for each others' throats?
Yes, there is the spectre of Vance looming in the background. Is he more of a threat than the two combined? This is uncharted territory. We could see the administration and maybe even the whole GOP implode, and yes, the consequences of that could be unfathomable.
Of course, the majority who brought about this situation, like Lancellot, (aren't you glad you are not one of that number?) will find some way not to recognise what is staring them right in the face.
The following two video excerpts only address a single aspect of the enormity of the damage being caused by this farcical administration, but that one facet
should be enough to make anyone who holds what we have long been told are "American values" cringe. Both videos are worth viewing in their entirety, but I've only included snippets which make the point most forcefully.
1. Scott Halloway on the Piers Morgan show:
2. Elizabeth Warren during a 2024 Senate hearing:
Only an omniscient being would be able to tell exactly what is going to become of this fiasco, but if somehow the US survives until the mid-terms, less than a year away, it will be most interesting to see what transpires.
RE: Feud
It's a good thing that I am am omniscient ape, able to answer your question. It's bad for many practical reasons of US national interest that don't even have to do with ideology and personalities. First and perhaps foremost: the American rocketry and space program is far and away the most aggressive and efficient in the world because of the highly successful cooperation between our government and private sectors. SpaceX got a considerable boost from NASA early on. Its satellites are used both for commercial and military applications. There is limited air superiority without space superiority, and a breakdown in collaboration affects our ability to contain Russia and China. We simply cannot afford this sort of schism. Our enemies will be thrilled.
Secondly, environmental issues. Without Musk, why would Trump give two craps about subsidies for any electric vehicles? In his desire to take revenge, he could do anything. The real risk is not to the environment, but from international competition in the EV market, particularly from China. Batteries will become more efficient over time for passenger vehicles but the US industry will not compete if Trump just decides to crush it to satisfy his ego.
Third: stability of general public/private collaborations in AI, crypto, and every other sector where Musk is involved may now be undermined.
Fourth: loss of accountability for Trump to contain costs
What will happen next is that both Musk and Trump will hemorrhage supporters from each other's camps. Trump's base will become increasingly unmoderated with rednecks who can't do basic math. Unless, of course, Trump and Musk staged this entire thing just to troll everyone. That seems unlikely though. The drama will make for a good song and dance number for a Trump opera or Broadway musical. And in the meantime, a lot of very smart and dedicated workers in the private sector will likely suffer.
RE: Feud
I have to admit to some glee at today's events. I have no love for Elon Musk and some of the potential outcomes could be devastating, but the status quo with a madman in the White House is intolerable.
Predictions mean nothing given the mental state of both these gentlemen, but I suspect Trump will blink first, given the fact that the tentacles of Musk's technology and business are so deeply entwined into so many aspects of vital US functions (as Harambe has suggested)
Trump's new TACO nickname suggests this as well, although Trump's awareness of the label may very well force him into even more extreme actions.
RE: Feud
It seems to me that there are two values that, historically, have been highly prized by Americans:
1. Make as much money, and become as rich as possible.
2. Be kind to your fellow humans, and help those who need it.
I don't think, in my life time, I have seen an administration in which the latter has been so hopelessly overshadowed by the former. Or one that has been so determined to see the rich get unimaginably rich at the expense of the poor.
The sooner the entire current administration is wiped out, the better.
RE: Feud
It was inevitable, though, wasn't it? Two massive egoists using eachother for their own ends was bound to result in this once one or the other of them felt it was no longer beneficial to retain the association.
Of course Musk is going to want Trump impeached. He's trying to remove himself from the firing line now the public penny has finally dropped about the benefits of his 'special relationship'.
This is what businessmen and politicians at the top of the game do. It's a ruthless world they live in and they won't hesitate to chuck anybody under a bus. They don't form friendships, they form alliances of convenience.
I agree, Harambe, the fallout isn't going to be good news. Which is why there are rules in the first place around how business and politics mix. They don't always make the best bedfellows.
value
/ˈvaljuː/
noun
plural noun: values
1.
the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something.
"your support is of great value"
2.
principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life.
"they internalize their parents' rules and values"
It seems that 'Making money' would comfortably fit into both of those definitions.
Today Trump said "I won't be talking to him (Elon) for a while, but I wish him well. I guess my prediction above that Trump would blink first was correct. In other words, Musk holds ALL the cards - another delicious irony.
Thanks, Steve, for responding while I was enjoying a much-appreciated sleep. Of course it fits. I guess I could have simply said "greed" instead of "Make as much money, and become as rich as possible", but I couldn't stand the whining.
Harambe is simply adopting his hero Peterson's tactic -- playing silly semantic games instead of answering the point.
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