Copy catsThread Started November 15 at 12:17PM
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I don't know if this is the place to ask such a question, but its been on my mind...Recently we've had at least 3 or 4 shooting, with fatalities, some
Reply on November 15, 2017 12:32 PM
Sorry about that hit the wrong ...some of these have resulted in the deaths of children, (the church and school)....now there has been shootings 3 in Tampa, Florida...with the shooter on the loose...I'm wondering if its possible these are copy-cat shooting...I know the public should know about what is going on so that they can be made aware of their surrounding...but do you think there is too much attention being given to these attacks...OR has these things been happening without enough attention being paid to them...I'm not talking about the violence by criminals, although that's terrible too...but its the massacres and killing of innocent people especially children that seems to be occurring often..
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Reply on November 15, 2017 03:09 PM
I agree with you mrs major. The media keeps it stirred up
for ratings no doubt. Yes, it needs to be reported. But to
play that over & over & over . . . . I have often thought
just what you wrote--copy cat shootings. Yes, we all need to
pray for the families. Thank you for sharing & caring. Jan
Reply on November 15, 2017 03:33 PM
I have hesitated to post that thought, but I'm glad someone agrees...it must be horrible to see that kind information over and over again for those involved....I too will continue to pray for all of those that have been harmed or have lost a loved one...Thanks Jan...
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Reply on November 15, 2017 04:20 PM
I completely understand the point, and there is a large degree of truth to it. Yes, some unhinged individuals will see the attention people get through committing these sort of atrocities, and see that they can become the focus of news for a day or two by doing the same.
Furthermore, although we might think organisations like the NRA would want to keep such incidents "hushed-up", the gun merchants who form a good part of their membership profit quite nicely from the fear and hysteria such incidents create.
I think perhaps the answer could be something along the lines of continuing to report each and every incident, so that the public can see the horrors this gun mentality inflicts upon society, but to give no exposure to the actual perpetrator whatsoever. Don't give them the satisfaction of having their name mentioned.
Here's a radical idea... for perpetrators of such crimes who take their own life, or are themselves killed at the scene, ensure they get the least ostentatious posthumous processing available, and their remains are disposed of so that their identity won't be acknowledged in the future. In other words, do anything possible to thwart the infamy they seek. Perhaps then there will be less incentive for some of these people.
It's reached the stage now where single incidents of murder, or shootings where "only a couple" of victims are involved don't even draw a blink. The answer can't be to sweep it all under the carpet and hope it will go away.
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Reply on November 15, 2017 04:46 PM
At a right angle to the initial thread asking if these are copy-cat execution, I want to raise another question. Jan, you allude to the news cycle as keeping this story alive, and in the way I read it, there seemed to be assigning blame to the cable networks as inspiration to mimic the initial murders. This may not be your intent, and I don;t want to put words into your mouth, but Mrs. Majors raise a question some time ago, asking where people got their news from. Do we really think people who would gun down innocent victims as watching cable news? Whether you believe Fox or CNN spins the day's events based on opinions, I find it hard to believe murderers watch anything that requires rational thought.
Reply on November 15, 2017 05:32 PM
No, Spiritual Echo.
I agree with what you wrote about the perpetrators
not watching news programs.
What I'm saying is the fact that the incidents are
played over & over & over . . . . by the media. Why?
I like what you said about leaving the identities of these
off news broadcasts.
These events happened. We do need to know about them.
But maybe there is a better way to report them.
Reply on November 15, 2017 10:54 PM
It would seem to me, it makes no difference where people get their news...yes I've asked the question, but perhaps you didn't get my point...I blame no one for these horrible killings, except those that hold the guns and do the shooting, yet I feel, as is my right, that there may be people that read, hear, and see these things over and over again...and it might only take someone with a sick mind to get the notion they should do the same...because they have been troubled about something...
My comments about "where do people get their information" applies to everyday news, much of which is geared toward politics, both liberal and conservative...I happen to believe the far right conservative networks, do not speak for me...and I can say that as a matter of fact... I also believe those that listen to these stations...only...do not get a full picture of any situation...these are just my opinions based on what I see...trump tweets to his supporters and its clear, at least to me, they believe every single thing he says...I doubt very strongly if they watch the news media that's geared toward a more liberal agenda...
I feel for those that have been harmed, lost loved ones in these situations, and I can only imagine the sadness they feel if there is continued analysis of who did it and why.
To say these folks shouldn't watch any news, is certainly not helpful...especially since much of the resulting memorials are noted...my sympathy is for those that are hurt, and although the history of the assailant may be interesting, its not what I care about.
I believe something has to be done to keep guns out of the hands of murderers...talking and talking about these massacres lasts for a short time...and then we wait for another...
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Reply on November 16, 2017 12:37 AM
As long as people form their opinions on the incorrect premise that guns don't kill people, people do, this trend will increase. I see no practical purpose for guns. If one wants to be a real sportsman use a crossbow to hunt. Even though the fictional Rambo is an expert with that weapon none of the rest of us will ever achieve his lofty facility.
I remember watching news reports on Columbine back in 1999 and thinking this was not the sort of thing that should be on the news at all, because of copycats. In my opinion it was over reported. The mainstream Internet was only four years old at the time and YouTube didn't come on-stream until 2005, and that is when the massacre copycats surged. It is everybody posting their little un-researched conspiracy theories and opinions after these massacres on YouTube that is a huge problem right now. They care nothing for the pain they cause victim's families and neither do they care about the facts because they make big money from advertising and ratings. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube are the biggest source of fake news for these folks so those platforms are going to have to be governed by the same strict rules at mainstream media.
I think Craig's idea is sound. Don't confer enduring fame upon murderers. Let them remain unknown unless they are still alive and a danger to others.
Reply on November 16, 2017 05:10 AM
Ingrid, I'm curious that you don't think would-be murderers watch cable news. I absolutely think they watch cable news, just like anyone else. It's just that when they watch killers on the news, they don't react like you or I do. You don't have to be capable of rational thought to watch TV, although, in some of these people's heads, they are absolutely rational in their thinking. They've planned it meticulously. The fact that its murder doesn't make it irrational to them. It's not a sudden blind fury.
Have you ever thought about what it would be like to be famous? For your name to be all over the news? You or I might daydream about being a great singer, or actress, like the folk we see on TV. Lone gunmen might dream of the documentaries made, the news reports shown. It's not so very different, when you think about it. They'll absolutely be watching the news, just like aspiring actors might watch every film with Marlon Brando in it. But while aspiring actors might just join their local am dram group, what do those fascinated with killers and killing do?
I don't know, maybe watch things about other people who do it, how they do it, and what happened afterwards, maybe? Absolutely makes sense to me. It's what most people do when they have an interest they wish to pursue, isn't it?
Reply on November 16, 2017 05:40 PM
One doesn't have to watch cable stations to get repeated news on any given horror...the news was/is on ALL stations, and is repeated over and over again, by the different news people...most times there's no problem with that as one can follow the news early in the morning and late at night.
I don't know how it works anywhere else, but I don't see why we should assume that the mentally ill choose not to listen to/watch "cable" news...millions do every day.
I think these murderers want only to make themselves known, and the best way to
protect those most effected by their hatred, is not to give them the time of day.
Most are proud of what they do, and like one of them that survived said, he was proud and asked for an enemy flag to be placed in his hospital room...
Sadly there's really no sure way of putting a stop to all of this, but whatever we can do, no matter how little, must to be done.
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