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What Trump Supporters Say

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I just read a meme that states what Trump supporters want. It sounds familiar as rhetoric but what do they mean. I am only looking for genuine answers.

Trump supporters say:

We hate liberal ideology.


What do you hate about liberal ideology?

We want the Affordable Care Act Repealed.

What do you want to replace it? And how will it work and will it cost less?

We want Hillary in prison.

For what charges exactly?

We're sick of political correctness.

What political correctness are you sick of? What do you see instead?

We're fed up with corruption in DC.

Write letters and get on the phone. There is corruption going on while we speak.

We want our jobs back from overseas.

Which jobs would those be? Where are these jobs going to locate and how are they going to thrive?




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RE: What Trump Supporters Say

Reply on October 12, 2017 11:10 AM << Modifed October 15 at 7:53PM >>


Liberal ideology is very simple, if you understand that the government should be concerned with All the people, and if and when changes are needed, those changes should be made...for the benefit of all of us, no matter the status.

This idea is hated by those that feel government shouldn't be involved with the problems of people that have not done well...they believe everyone should do for themselves...period...that idea to me would never work...for various reasons.

I'm in favor of the liberal ideology...All Americans pay taxes, and should be considered whenever necessary, not only when the far right, or conservative loyalist choose to allow that idea...(all that should pay taxes).

The Affordable Care Act, is in need of some changes, just as Obama stated, it was expected that such changes should be done, in the next administration...No one knows how it should work, and that's the problem congress is having...it has taken them 7 years to make a decent proposal and they haven't been able to do so.

I've heard it said, from the mouth of one of trumps supporters, that they don't want to pay for the health care of someone else...this is a matter of the selfishness people have toward those that haven't reached the same status in their lives as the rest of the American population...and its directed toward minorities...not necessarily Blacks but those that are at the bottom of the ladder...those low wage workers, and those that are not able to rise to a higher position, for whatever reason.

trump in his campaign rhetoric, has been the one to address this, it has been proven that there was nothing done that requires legal actions...what she did was thoughtless, but not to the extent that trump would want his supporters to believe.

Political correctness, is simply the way different people are treated, spoken about or addressed...it hurts no one, but does show respect toward many..

As long as humans take part in the running of any government there will be corruption, there is corruption going on at this moment in the present administration, however trump's people will never admit that...I call charging the American people close to 1 million dollars for travel, corruption...it caused the firing/leaving, of one of trump's cabinet members.

Perhaps, Ivanka's (sp)factories may not be all of what is being produced overseas, but those products could easily be produced, here, giving jobs to Americans...cheap labor is what it's all about..and I question whether or not these companies would be willing to pay acceptable wages here...I doubt it.

Its a fact that often communications with some businesses, and even banks, use overseas workers to deal with their customers...why not bring those jobs back to America...greed is the name of the game, making as much as one can, no
matter what..

My comments will surely meet opposition here, but that's what freedom of speech is about, the ability to speak one's mind without fear...

This country has always been divided, from its inception, that's clear when we can look back in history, and there are millions of people, that have chosen to pick what side they want to stand on...trump has encouraged that attitude, and continues to do so.

If trumps is allowed to continue in the present path, we will lose the rights established by the Constitution...the very idea of questioning the licenses of some news networks should not be tolerated...this is one of the powers that the president does not control...Any authoritative, fascist, or totalitarian government has a starting point...history has proven that...some do not believe such could ever happen here...but time will tell...we are close, and with this man, who knows what's next.

Just Some Thoughts!


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 12, 2017 02:32 PM

G, I know that you already know the answers to all of your questions, so you will have to sharpen those crocodile teeth by chewing on someone, or something else.

I wanted to respond to something Victoria mentioned. How are you doing My beautiful sister? Hope all is well. Here is how, in my view, to judge a good news source. ( I found again, that I already wrote about it, so here it is) :

How DO we judge a good news source.?

We are all becoming more and more aware of the HUGE aparent vacuum in our credible news sources, that has been created by the
" enlightened" movement caused by the freeflow of information on the internet.

It is becoming undeniably obvious that we need to figure out what is a "good source"...or do we?

We are most definitely living in a new world where the control of information is no longer held by a monolithic power.

Now, being that I personally believe God IS Truth (and Love), and science, or at least REAL science IS the pursuit of Truth... hence the pursuit of God, or at least the explanation of His Creation, then I am totally willing to leave all Bible discussion out of this conversation. l am willing to Ieave it all to discussing science and reason. ( Not to say that I might not point out some science put forth as perverted by incorrect suppositions or "sponsorship".)

I REALLY desire this thread to be kind of a brainstorming, or the free and open exchange of ideas.

With that, I will start with a few of my own ideas. It seems logical to me that in an environment that fosters a true , open and free exchange of ideas ( The internet we have today, certainly seems the closest to this ideal that we'll ever see).***
In this kind of environment, it seems logical that the most credible, and truthful ideas as presented and scrutinized in this environment would generally be more accepted and given more prominence in this environment, and conversely , the less credible and less truthfull ideas in this environment as presented and scrutinized in this environment would generally be less accepted and given less prominence in this environment.
( Please, feel free to poke holes in my logic, because I'm sure that I am probably taking some logical leaps that could be filled in with some more solid , middle ground)
Now of course in this environment, it would be issue driven. It would be logical to say that on any particular issue, there would be what I would call the " winning" or more truthful side, and the "losing" or less truthful side. So to pick a single issue.... say...."who is going to win an election" ( just to pick one out randomly lol) , would it be logical then, to assume that this losing side might try to control or censor the environment in which their idea lost, or at least set up an idea that
" Here it is, here is the "fact checked " absolute truth as illustrated by say.... "Snopes" ( to pick an example) . This begins maybe to set up a noticeable pattern, but I digress.


This all being said, would a more important thing than figuring out what is real news, be that we might be better served by just preserving the free and open internet that we have today? Of course the "losers", or less truthful might beg to differ.
One might learn all they need to know by studying and noticing exactly who it is that wants to control or squash or close a free and open internet.

To get back to the braistorming, and more practical ideas, here's a couple of mine:


We could set up scientific controls or
" standards" finding something we know to be absolute Truth and comparing that to what a news source is saying or said . ( Of coursr, one could offer up as an example.... say... what the news source said about who was gonna win an election, and who had NO shot... But I won't. lol ..though it seems it might be a good , whats the term? objectifiable standard.... especially for a t.v news source.)


One could also look at what is sponsoring the news source, and asking oneself , "do those sponsors embrace what I believe to be absolute truth?"


Hey, I'm all for the Socratic method. I' m struck with the idea that a free and open internet IS the ultimate " Socratic method machine", If we can keep it!

What say you?


*** As I write this, I am listening to Jones'show and he has James O'Keefe from project veritas on talking about how you tube and Google are caught by them manipulating view counts. Go figure.


Know this one thing though, Gloria.... I AM praying for you , my truth seeking sister. Here's another old write:

The "Brotherhood of the Truthseeker" and the elusive "sword of Truth" in the Bible-

We all have our own concept of what truth is, some of us examine truth much harder than others. Some base their perception of truth solely on science. (Although a pretty noble pursuit, after all TRUTH IS TRUTH.) But there are many theological aspects of truth, that for reasons that I've gone over with ad nauseum with many atheist types, "science" will NEVER, EVER be able to prove or disprove.
I consider any honest fellow Truthseeker a Brother, regardless of their religion because Truth is Truth, and we all have differing levels of the understanding of it. (This is the reason I think that C.S Lewis said something like "sometimes an atheist can unknowingly be closer to God than some 'christians' are".... paraphrased from his book 'mere christianity').

But what do I do when my Truthseeking understanding of truth clashes with my Brother's understanding of truth on ANY issue?
Well I believe one of four things should happen:

1) We can agree to disagree, feeding the fire to prove the other Truthseeker wrong. A very healthy, "iron of Truth sharpening the iron of truth". ### please see attatched interesting ( I think ) small Bible study on the application of this proverb to this instance as it pertains to "the Truthseeker's Brotherhood"

2) You can convince ME that your understanding of truth is correct given the evidence.

3) I can convince YOU
that my understanding of truth is correct given the evidence.

4) We could BOTH be incorrect.

Of course, when you introduce emotion and pride to the issue, the finding of TRUTH gets sidetracked and the "Truthseeking Brotherhood" gets fractured.

We all suffer from pride. JESUS despised pride probably because it IS the greatest sin.
God knows, I battle it all the time and I have to repent for it everyday, and praise and thanks to Jesus that His blood covers THAT, and all my other sins!

As far as emotion goes, in the pursuit of TRUTH maybe we all just need thicker skin.

###

Now to the "Truthseekers brotherhood" as it seems to present itself according to
Proverbs 27:17 KJV:

"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

Now looking up the definition of countenance:

counĚteĚnance
noun
1. a person's face or facial expression. 2. support.

verb
1. admit as acceptable or possible.

Now the noun definitions definitely fit this verse, but it is the verb (action) definition of the word that really brings this verse to life:

"admitting something as either acceptable or possible" certainly fits into the context of a Truthseeker who is examining something as to its Truthfulness.

Now with all this, THINKING that I could easily connect all of this to a Bible verse that uses the phrase
" The sword of truth" in regards to the proverb of iron sharpening iron, to support my theory of the "Truthseekers Brotherhood" BUT ...ALAS...
I found that (to the best of my knowledge) that NO such verse exists, AND that to get THERE, it requires another interesting STEP to make that connection.

For instance in ephesians ch. 6 the sword in "the armor of God " is referred to as the Spirit (and ALSO God's word) and the belt is referred to as truth.
Ephesians 6:14 NIV
Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist...

Ephesians 6:17 NASB
And take the helmet of salvation , and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

This "truth" belt that probably "holds" the HOLY Spirit sword ...
( I'm assuming that Roman soldiers used their belts in this way somehow, in the same way that WE now often use a belt to HOLD a weapon ) ...this weapon being the Holy Spirit that Jesus in John 16:13 calls the Spirit of Truth.

John 16:13 NIV
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.

Or in John 15:26 NASB
"When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

Is this "extra step" to make the connection
(From the sword of the Spirit to the Spirit of Truth) is THIS God's way of saying (at least to me anyways) that Real TRUTH ONLY comes to be "held" by us through the HOLY Spirit ( AND through God's Word) which only comes through HIM?

Interesting indeed!

God's word is so incredible! Show me some Truth G!!





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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 12, 2017 06:17 PM << Modifed October 12 at 6:18PM >>
Obviously I don't know what Trump supporters think DJ or I wouldn't have asked the questions. So far all I can see is they have no idea what any of that rhetoric means when put into practical terms. They also want the Dreamer/DACA children deported. Is that you want too, Doug?

DJ, you say,

The narrative that Paddock did this...especially alone,. is just, plain wrong . Despite what Gloria or Cahill may say.

HOW do you think you know this, Doug? I haven't arrived at any conclusion. Please present the evidence you have.

G , what exactly constitutes a verified video? One officially sanctioned by proven liars to fit the desired narrative...Is that it?

Who are these proven liars, Doug?

We should all be able to agree that a YouTube video posted online six hours after the Vegas massacre assigning guilt to a lunatic allegedly seen at an anti-Trump rally full of democratic, globalist, alien feminists is partisan bullshit in the extreme. It's another irresponsible and vicious attack on the innocent victims and their families. In my opinion perpetrators of dangerous conspiracies should be sued if they have a proven pattern of behaviour with the deliberate intention to mislead. We all remember Alex Jones saying he had evidence Sandy Hook was hoax. Even though he later retracted his false claims the damage had already been done. If you don't remember Jones's video I'd happy to post it again here.

DJ regarding verified videos, I think the following process might help determine validity.

1) Scan the video for tampering ie time stamp changes, voice overs, editing changes, dot matrix manipulation, photo shop etc. If any of these are found, put aside the video for possible reckless endangerment charges at a later date. The evidence is tainted for the Vegas massacre and should be pulled from the investigation AND the Internet, even though it shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

2) If there is no evidence of tampering, find the source/creator and contact them by phone and in person. Get their particulars and have them sign a release form.

3) Contact protest organizers to establish facts, ie: Was there a protest in that city that day? How many people were there? Did the organizers know the person alleged to be Paddock? Ask them for further contacts that may be able to remember this man and determine whether or not he is in fact Stephen Paddock.

4) Question Paddock's friends, family members and girlfriend as to the identity of the person in the video/s.

There are gun shows frequently in Vegas, so someone carting in suitcases that might contain weapons for display at a weekend gun exhibition is not out of the usual. Of course there are reams of surveillance footage that have been examined inside out. Just because you and I haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The right thing to do is for everyone to keep their little conspiracy theories to themselves. Leave the investigation to those folks who have resources to rigorously verify evidence to arrive at the best possible facts. Anyone who thinks they have leads should give them to investigators.





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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 12, 2017 07:37 PM
well...id say here lies every good reason to steer clear of memee's.

and...-smile-....officer G girl, if you could spare just a moment of cop time. I'd like to direct your attention toward a layer of truth yet to be discovered by them who hate me for my God given American right to veminetlly disagree...with you. and no you can not see my identification...I will not bend over.

now lets start with your title...where did you hear them say this...ease dropping through doorways....kibitzing with your Michael....a cocktail party for Bruce Jenners departcher...?


what I think way way way closer to the truth...is that Trump supporters said...and say....hell no...to anymore same old Government corruption killing US. I want you to quit blaming US for wanting it to end...and help US before it happens to you.


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 13, 2017 07:23 PM << Modifed October 13 at 8:18PM >>
Good morning to all. Love this crisp air by the water.
Though I have not read through this complete thread. I read the intro and Ms Majors. Victoria you have made some great valid points and Gloria , I will comment later. Love your thread starters.

Truly, the Trump supporters I know didn't vote for Trump because they like him, they voted for him because of what they didn't like.

I would not say I have complete liberal ideology, but I will say this.. as one who seeks knowledge and balance I can and will call myself a "truth seeker". Meaning in my own belief system I believe in a Divine entity and do strive to have great values for the good of humanity. I strive daily to seek and understand our connection, and our purpose in this seemingly God-forsaken world.

To me Trump is quite frightening. And though we all desire change, I hope...we all DESIRE change for the good of all. ALL meaning each and every citizen of not just the USA but of every man, woman and child in this floundering world.

Regardless of what many think , the USA I felt represented many things to the world.. strength for one, and yes, opportunity for all whom feel the warmth of our sandy shores. However, it has never represented equality, not ever. Say what you may.

Now our STRENGTH appears to be bullying, our opportunities could be how we act or react toward them, but equality dresses in different costumes often but still the same old dirge... do not be fooled.

We truly seeem to be proud of our gun toting freedoms among other things. Often to our own detriment. Our history dictates the tragedies waiting to happen when it comes to "gun control", or to put it correctly, lack thereof. Evidence suggest those who claim to keep a gun for protection for their family is not effective and has been the result of more domestic tragedies due to loss of control, lack of gun safety, and mistaken identity, than protecting against intruders. We have produced toddler killers. How does that sound? Yep, should make us proud! Teens who suffer depression are more apt to carry out suicide with a gun in the house. Yep we should be dam proud. We have stood helplessly by while our school children are gunned down. Yep, I say, let's keep that paradigm that "we have rights"" at all cost.. our small sacrificial lambs. Cool!!!

Yep, God bless the good ole USA!!! Once again, the God I believe in does not sleep under any flag, nor is He partial to any nation, tribe nor tongue. Yes, I realize this is another subject. And I do realize and respect those who do not believe in a Higher Being... and you know what... I can certainly understand your position especially when you deal with many of the other persuasion.

But we shan't worry our small and big minds about such trivial things because Cool Hand Nuke and Rocket Man are going to settle it for us!! All of us! We shall be blasted from here to Kingdom !! Whatever that means. May God have mercy on our pea picking souls.


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 14, 2017 12:19 AM
Excellent points, Jimi. I was looking for information so you and Mrs. Major have helped with that.

Recon you wrote,

now lets start with your title...where did you hear them say this...ease dropping through doorways....kibitzing with your Michael....a cocktail party for Bruce Jenners departcher...?

I read the list of "wants" from a staunch Trump supporter, on the president's Twitter wall so ease dropping (eavesdropping) through doorways was quite impossible and not something I would consider doing anyway. Has it ever occurred to you that you might also have a lot to learn about Trump supporters?

what I think way way way closer to the truth...is that Trump supporters said...and say....hell no...to anymore same old Government corruption killing US. I want you to quit blaming US for wanting it to end...and help US before it happens to you.

I would stop blaming you, if I was blaming you in the first place, but I'm not blaming you for anything, so there is nothing to stop. I am trying to understand. So what is the same old government corruption? How do you see the current administration as operating differently from previous administrations? What corruption have you seen in the Trump administration?

But on the subject of money here's one and if it wasn't so bizarre it would be hilarious. It does however add to mounting evidence that Trump has no understanding of economics which could very well lead everyone but the richest of the rich into a downward spiral.

While selling his tax cuts reform Trump said this, ?So the previous administration borrowed more than $10 trillion, right? And yet, we picked up $5.2 trillion just in the stock market. Possibly picked up the whole thing in terms of the first nine months, in terms of value."

YEESH. Unless the US government is in the business of buying stocks that didn?t net them a penny. The fact is the US national debt has risen by almost half a trillion dollars during Trump's term.

He went on to say, "So you could say, in one sense, we're really increasing values. And maybe in a sense we're reducing debt." No you couldn't unless you are trying to fool people.

The comments represented the latest in a long-shifting series of positions on debt issues for Mr. Trump as both president and candidate, which has included, at various points, proclaiming "I love debt" and also promising to pay off the entire national debt in eight years.



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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 14, 2017 01:39 PM


Thanks so much, Jimi, for the emphasis on much of what I was trying to convey...To those that do have a spiritual belief system, the mindset is quite different, but as you say, this is not the place for that conversation.

I was once a proud American citizen, with the idea that all were welcomed here, never really thought about the limitations on those allowed to enter and those that were not.
I know of many Jamaicans that waited their term to get here, and also many other Islanders, people from India, and Africa did the same...and more.

I can remember the year Cubans from the island of Cuba, came to our shores, by the hundreds, with the consent of Castro...many of those people, had criminal records in Cuba, some were jailed, but many of these people remained and most have made a life for themselves..they pay taxes, serve in the armed forces, and still hold on to their cultural ideals, music, (that I love) and also the food, (I love that too...they are writers, artists..and so on...

Some time ago, the doors of this country were opened to those that felt oppressed, from Russia, because of their religion...

Why then are other groups now being seen as the lowest of the low, unless they can proof their worth...these are the kind of things trump feels will make "America Great Again"...Now Muslims, will not be allowed in if they come from certain countries, and he continues to assume that every Mexican is some kind of unacceptable human being.

I am truly fearful of what this administration is doing, on both foreign, and domestic fronts, what he is doing to the American people is leading us toward a one man one rule government...and we as a people are sitting back, and allowing it...

To assume, as he does, that America must meet his level of acceptance, to become great again, I find almost amusing if it wasn't so sad..

You have stated by fact and accuracy what can, and does happen when guns are present...yet these are facts that some either don't pay attention too, or simply are not impressed by...well I am, and every one of those lives mean something to me.

There really is no question why his supporters like trump, this country is changing, there are more people of color, cultures, and ideals, then ever before..and there are many people that feel threatened, and ignored...

trump knows all about that, he knew how to bring out in people that kind of fear, and in many cases actual hate for anyone different.

If one would look at so many of his executives orders, it is clear, at least to me, that his greatest desire is to eliminate every benefit that Obama put in place.

The idea that he is seriously concerned about you or I or anyone else but himself, and his family is not shown by his actions...his hatred of Obama is without question,,,

Actually one can find statistics, writings, debates, and discussions in general that will prove their point, and often the very essence of humanity is lost in all of that

We all try to prove a particular point..and its up to each of us to find our own place and voice...I've found mine, but it would take pages and pages to make them known...and it would only satisfy my need to do so.

So much is happening that is changing the fabric of this country, and although some speak about all of this behind closed doors, it continues.

I wish I had the energy to put into words my thoughts feelings, and wishes, but I just don't...there's just too much...

Day after day we hear more that shows there is something happening in the world, from one end to the other, one country to the other, continent to continent ...and its something that cannot be controlled...we are just not able to rule ourselves...no matter the education level, social standing, financial status or political leanings...that's why I do believe in a Higher Being...although all of us have the right to feel differently.

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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 14, 2017 11:02 PM
I believe we have the ability to govern ourselves if we follow one seemingly easy, but in fact very difficult rule, DO NO HARM. But I guess because I believe in people helping people, rather than the absent interventions of a divine creator, is why in the opinion of some, I'm a crocodile and "believers" are beautiful sisters.

In my opinion there is nothing apocalyptic at this time. The primary thing that's ruffling feathers around the world right now is the US has elected an inexperienced and rather cruel president who thrives on creating chaos. That is how he has conducted business throughout his entire life.

Trump has no core ideals of his own, so he pits people against each other and then uses what he considers the best idea arising from the conflict. It's a crude manner of doing business and if everyone used this method nothing would ever get done.


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 15, 2017 06:36 PM
After Steve Bannon called for all out war against the Republican GOP at the Values Voter Summit on Saturday, Breitbart New posted this: Sunday on
ABCs "This Week," Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said the former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon targeting Republican Senators who support Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (RKY) was not helpful."

Collins said, "This is not helpful or appropriate at all. Obviously, Mr. Bannon has the right to support whomever he wants to support, but I think his rhetoric is exactly what the American people are tired of. They don't want this hyper-partisanship. They want us to work together, they want us to get things done.

She continued, ?Mr Bannon?s over the top rhetoric is not helpful. Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader. The President needs him."

Here are some of the responses she received from Trump supporters on the story: Collins is a deplorable cockroach, anti-American Rino globalist, swamp monster, turncoat, a smelly-snatched, Depends wearing, Alzheimer-drug using, sagging titted liberal senile old bag with throat cancer. Idiot puppet, politically correct vermin, over the hill troll, treasonist leftist GOP pig, radical jihadist, lying bitch hose monster hack, a bubble Rino whore, A self-absorbed harridan asshole sociopath.

And then they end with, We want God/Christ back in our land.

What the heck? Does any of this seem hypocritical to you?





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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 15, 2017 06:40 PM
Cannot help but laugh at that list. Yes, most definitely, for there are many who do not see the sense of their hypocritical pseudo righteousness. Welcome to America Gloria.

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