EclipsesThread Started August 21 at 8:06AM
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I saw something on Facebook today that I thought was interesting. That is unusual enough in itself to raise it here.
There's been a fair bit of interest in eclipses lately, especially in the US - since one is due in a few hours.
Isn't it odd how when scientists tell us the moon is going to block the sun, most people actually believe them? They don't think the scientists are making it up, to cover the truth that the sun is being eaten by a dragon. They don't tend to believe they are a bunch of idiots and don't have a clue what they are talking about. They don't talk about how much "faith" it requires to believe in eclipses. They don't accuse them of "faking" evidence.
But change the subject to evolution, and suddenly the scientists of the world are an ignorant, conniving crowd, manufacturing evidence to support their deliberate lies. Either that or they're complete ignoramuses who can't see all the real evidence.
The absurdity of this amazes me.
Reply on September 21, 2017 07:41 AM
I'm sure you're aware, Emma, that circular reasoning is a specific logical fallacy in which A is claimed to prove B, and B proves A. It's closely related to the fallacy of begging the question.
A perfect example (taken from my previous post) is:
A. God exists because the Bible says so.
But why should we believe the Bible? Because
B. God wrote it.
When people in a debate just go around in circles ad infinitum (as is inevitably the case here), that's certainly annoying and boring (and I know I'm as guilty as anyone), but it's not the circular reasoning I was discussing.
One thing I find particularly frustrating when debating ideas with modern day Christians is that they inevitably take points which have been legitimately raised by their opponents, and simply reverse them, without any logical reason to do so. It's almost as if they lack the resources to come up with their own persuasive arguments.
As an example, how many times have you heard a Christian, in response to being chastised for reaching conclusions based on faith rather than evidence, utter the words "It takes a great deal more faith to be an atheist than a believer". This is clearly nonsense, and to me just proves they are clutching at straws.
I enjoy the cut and thrust of debate with people like Doug, and certainly bear him no ill will for having a different view - mistaken as it may be ;-)
Reply on September 21, 2017 10:10 AM << Modifed September 21 at 10:11AM >>
hm...something to think about.
man A...believes in nothing basically beyond what he can conquer understood complete. has no idea where he came from but for a couple aloof theories that take the straw man to oz missing Kansas forever. and looks forward to an afterlife of the worms crawl in the worms crawl out. hm...
lets take a look at man B....he believes what he sees....God everywhere.
from snowflakes, intricate and unique adrift in there nonchalant brief existence to the "in God we trust" stamped on every green back. He believes by faith and witness the Word of God absolute Truth. and knows he breathes for reason not accident, and that breath will be tried by fire, purified in light of the example, life, death and perfect Resurrection of the gift of God...Jesus Christ.and through Him all who chose faithfully to contend...try....then try again and again to follow Him. He or she are solders only sojourning here careful for their litter. making beds in heaven to sleep in.
wow....let me think about it...
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Reply on September 21, 2017 12:18 PM
Yes, sorry Craig, I went off on a bit of a tangent. I, too, enjoy the debates and discussions with all of you, but the whole debate in general gets to be a bit repetitive at times. I think to myself, 'I'm sure I've said this'. But I do find other people's thoughts fascinating, even if sometimes we have to agree to disagree.
Recon, the thing is, I'm as happy with my worms, and enjoying having a bit of curiosity about where I came from as you are with your knowing the answer to life, the universe and everything (and I thought it was 42) and dreams of a life beyond. I appreciate it is incomprehensible to you that I should be so, but I am.
Reply on September 21, 2017 04:35 PM
ah the summer of 42...yes yes i remember it well. raging hormones, bottles of coke for a nickle, voice of America begins broadcasting...and her....ewwww man I mean. Oooooo those were the daaaaaays.
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Reply on September 21, 2017 05:38 PM
I am also so very happy that I know who our loving Father is, what He wants for us, what He has given us and what He promises us...Almighty God Jehovah is the creator of All things...I have no problem believing that, I know of no man that can do any of that...I am but a dot in His world, just one of those that feel His presence, not sometimes, but All the time...I question not one word of His teachings, but just as others are contented with their way of life, I am pleased with mine...For every negative there is a positive, and I sought those positives, and found them
The book of Revelations has been a favorite of mine for a while now, but it took time and study of the Old Testament to come to MY understanding of what it means...Yes there will be better times, when satan is thrown into the abyss for the the period of one thousand years...I believe in the tribulation, resurrection, armageddon, and then what the Bible calls paradise...its all right there in scripture...and I believe every word of it...
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Reply on September 21, 2017 05:49 PM
Hey, that looks like a fun game, Michael. Can anybody play? Let me give it a go...
Man A, unable to accept his own mortality, despairs of the fact that the universe managed quite happily to exist for billions of years without him, and will do so again once he shuffles from this mortal coil. He cannot accept that his fate is the same as every other living creature on the planet - through death to become part of the cycle of life - "worm food" if you want to put it that way. So he concocts a scenario in which he gets to be around for ever and ever, with not a hint of boredom.
Man B, considering his approaching demise, echoes the famous words of Mel Blanc... "That's all, folks."
Man A looks at a snowflake and sees the great and majestic being which fashioned this intricate marvel, who guides and directs every single action that ever takes place in the universe, who commands the angelic host, waging battle against Satan and his legions of devils and demons. Who, when he is not busy smashing babies to pieces, or giving them malaria, is occupied making rainbows in the sky for us to marvel at his greatness.
Man B looks at a snowflake and sees... a snowflake.
Yes, lots of food for thought there.
Your post made me wonder about something that's never crossed my mind before. Why do you think it is, that of all the places to put it, the powers that be decided to inscribe the stirring motto "In God We Trust" on your money? I can understand it being carved in stone on various monuments scattered around the country. I can even picture it as a sign on the wall in, for example, hospitals. But on your money? Come to think of it, it probably couldn't be more appropriate. Lump all the truly important things together in one place.
Good chat, Michael.
Reply on September 21, 2017 07:57 PM
thats exactly right... CD...
there are at this very moment blue and red flashing lights and siren sounds...indicating BINGO! just got paid. you won...your man Alfred is a frightful bore without the imagination to see himself through the witness of others, as unique, marvels of wonder made in purposed attire not accidental awesome, nor even entertaining a desire to care one way or the other. after all bugs bunnies on.....-smile-
Mamma Major....its not us, their not right in the head. all we can do is love them well...when folk consider our cause a big explosion equal in weight with living water...well they need help. thats us Mamma...-smile-
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Reply on September 21, 2017 09:12 PM
I guess you're right, recon, God has told us to love everyone, no matter what, so that's what we have to do!
Reply on September 21, 2017 09:26 PM
How positively sweet. Where's the bucket?
For people who constantly carry on about how full of pride everyone else is, there's sure a lot of conceit, condescension and arrogance in those last couple of posts.
Well, don't worry. I'm sure your imaginary friend won't hold it against you :)
Reply on September 21, 2017 09:30 PM
DJ seeing as how you have proof the Obama's murdered Joan Rivers and the Clintons may also have committed many murders, my best suggestion to you is to get that evidence to the CIA post haste. I wouldn't be keeping that kind of evidence away from the authorities!! Murder One is Capital Offence with a maximum punishment, the death penalty. Not giving evidence might be considered a cover up, or worse aiding and abetting in a crime.
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