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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 03:24 AM
Yeah Jonestown and Heaven's Gate ended with tragic results. Mass suicide. Sorry about asking so many questions but I am trying to understand. So do these pastors think they are brainwashing their flocks or do they believe what they preach?


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Reply on November 28, 2017 03:31 AM
They're brainwashing them. They're in it for the money. It's easy to tell who is and who isn't. The one's with money are in it for the money.

Look at rock stars and their fans. Same thing. Motivational speakers, great political speakers, those truly memorable teachers ... all of these had charisma. Some have it naturally and light up a room walking in. Others can learn it. Most people are followers, a few are leaders and it's a powerful position to be in. It can be a dangerous trait in the wrong hands like a Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler, Pauly Shore ... it was getting too serious. LOL

Anyway, you're a musician, you know about being on stage and commanding a crowd. It's a unique power. I've done that AND also have been in sales. It's amazing what people can be talked in to. AMAZING. I had to quit selling life insurance to avoid going to hell. HAHAHA!


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 03:44 AM
Hmmmmmm, lots to think about. So do these pastors pay taxes as they clearly are not churches? AND has anyone ever compiled a book of all these, what would you call them, cults?

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 03:54 AM << Modifed November 28 at 3:56AM >>
I'm having trouble believing what I just read. I don't know why, it shouldn't come as any shock, but I guess I like to try and pretend that people like this don't exist.

Apparently the Washington Post reporter who broke the Roy Moore story was approached by a woman claiming to have been impregnated by Moore at age 15. Turns out nothing of the sort had happened. The woman seems to have been associated with a right wing organisation called "Project Veritas", and wanted to embarrass the Washington Post by getting them to run with this fake story, so they would look like fools when it came out nothing of the sort happened. However, the only one who ended up looking like a moron is this lovely little peach, because the Post didn't fall for it.

No doubt she's disappointed, but pleased that she gave it her best shot trying to make these liberal miscreants pay.

It appears this woman set up a GoFundMe page to get people to pay for her to move to New York so she could "combat the lies and deceit of the liberal MSM."

Keep on doing the Lord's work, love. I'm sure he's got a special reward lined up for you.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/woman-with-fake-roy-moore-tale-gets-unmasked-by-newspaper-she-contacts-20171127-gzu2z7.html


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 03:55 AM
There's some grey area. Many of the organizations do good works and provide food, medicine, shelter and the like world wide. Yes, they're personally rich, but there are good things being done and the followers aren't ALL a bunch of loons.

Certainly there are some blatantly political like Hagee who exhort their parishioners to support Trump and have a clear agenda.

They are ALL tax exempt and considered unbiased non-profit organizations.

There is clearly abuse going on in that regard although it may be within the confines of legal interpretation.

As you know and have pointed out, Trump has signed an Executive Order to make it legal for Churches to financially contribute to political campaigns and organizations. This is pure Evangelical Christian agenda and totally against the Constitution's premise of church and state separation.

The separation doesn't exist in my view when John Hagee stands in his pulpit and declares Obama to be an agent of Satan and Trump to be chosen by God.

The powers that be don't seem to want to address that issue currently. It benefits THEM.

Yep, a mess and a half.


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 04:00 AM
I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree with what you've said, Craig. 'Meism' is very evident in our schools and homes today. When I was a smaller person, one didn't complain to one's mother about a telling off at school, for fear of another one at home. Now, it seems, Mummy and Daddy will go to the school and have words with the teacher, because little Johnny shouldn't have so much work to do, or be singled out. His behaviour isn't his fault, it's a syndrome, a disease, something the teacher should have dealt with better. Parents are turning against collective education because (I believe) they don't want their young 'un to be anything less than the centre of attention, in some cases. People don't want their children to be cogs in a wheel, but the fact is, we are all cogs in a wheel. But this notion that we are a collective is frowned upon these days.

What I believe we are seeing is the ultimate fruits of Capitalism. 'Me & Mine' is more important than 'You & Yours'. But Capitalism is eating itself, and, as I believe I have said more than once, for us to survive, there will HAVE to be changes. The loss of the collective mentality in the long run leaves us weaker.

As we drop further down the technological rabbit hole, yet more jobs will be lost, and we are inexorably moving towards the tipping point where technology costs more jobs than it creates.

And the attitude of those on the up side of the see-saw cannot continue to be, 'you're lazy, you could've had as much as me', because there simply won't be any way for those on the downside to tip the balance.

The vast majority of us were never going to be wealthy CEOs or genius physicists/musicians/whatever, but it didn't matter because there was something for everyone. The doctors, scientists and all that still needed someone to take out the trash, make the curtains, build the cars and houses, etc. As more and more of the everyday unglamorous but necessary jobs so many of us used to do are done cheaper and faster by robots, there are more and more of us average Joes jostling one another for what is left. Which is, increasingly less and less.

We've worked so hard to make our lives so much easier, so much less reliant on each other, that we're rendering ourselves unnecessary.

There's never been a worse time to be the average working man/woman, between trying to find something the robots can't do better, and being harangued about why we aren't all geniuses or entrepreneurs. No wonder depression is on the rise. People are struggling to find their value, their purpose.

Probably not making much sense, here, might come back to this later.



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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 04:17 AM << Modifed November 28 at 4:22AM >>
Thanks for the link, Craig. I hadn't heard of that before. She should be charged and spend a few years in prison for that in my opinion. It's disgusting how far these lying miscreants will go.

Here's some of Hagee's handiwork. Finally, Someone who who thinks like me.

Great thoughts Emma.


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Reply on November 28, 2017 04:35 AM
Ha. Looks like we all posted at the same time, Craig and Emma.

A lot of information and it ALL ties together beautifully I think.

You know, at one time Capitalism DID exist here in the U.S. AND it came with a heart. People were allowed to rise up with hard work and innovation and make something of themselves. Those who could not were NOT abandoned, they were taken care of.

I learned quickly in the nineties that Capitalism no longer existed here when I opened my own business. I did not get to play by the same rules as the larger concerns. It was a miracle I managed to survive. The government oppressed me to the max while at the same time they THREW money and incentives at the large companies, tax breaks, free rent, special wholesale pricing. Nothing for me.

Oh well, plenty on the table already. :))

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Reply on November 28, 2017 04:50 AM << Modifed November 28 at 4:51AM >>
A real charmer, that Melanie lady is :)


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 28, 2017 05:01 AM

In the long term, this perpetual self-benefitting society isn't sustainable. Everybody wants their piece of the pie, and nobody wants to share what they've worked for. That's capitalism. You still have capitalism, and that is the problem. It's reaching its ultimate end. Capitalism isn't sustainable. It has got us a long way in some respects, but it's cost us a lot. Because it is all about benefitting the individual, ultimately, not society as a whole.

Capitalism has left us working at making stuff nobody needs in order to buy things we don't need sold to us by people who tell us we need them, because if we didn't need them, we wouldn't buy them, and there wouldn't be any money to be made.

While we're all so busy scurrying around in our little wheels trying to make more to get more, how many of us stop to ask 'why'?


   
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