Messages

  Share or Bookmark   

djeckert
Premier Author
Premier Reader

Poet Rating
 
Rank:  293 (+1)

Short Works Rating

Rank:  146 (+1)

Novel Rating
 

Review Stars
 

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 21, 2017 12:19 PM << Modifed September 21 at 2:19PM >>

Hi Gloria, you are so right to say that there is so much more that goes on in class warfare. But as far as you engaging it , it is this simplicity of painting Mr. Trump the way you did and juxtaposing that against the poor little "servant " or warrior man in his class. Even if that wasn't your real intention, You can't tell me that , that simple thing does NOT reek of said warfare or class envy. But you are right that much more goes on.

Thanks for clearing that up about Miss Rivers, though I hardly think what she was saying was nearly as ubiquitous as the story is now, since she died. I have heard that it is well known that she was known to be actually friends with the Obamas and even attended many private dinner parties with them. So , if that is true, then her disclosure was MORE than merely repeating internet gossip. Perhaps there is nothing like a VERY connected friend feeling betrayed. But again, I couldn't care less what Michelle is/was.

I could offer up a lot more conjecture on this, but seeing that I already dipped my big toe off of the boardwalk and into the tall weeds filled with hungry crocodiles...I have to take my shoe off now, to see if my toe is still there.... wait! What's that? .... Over there....you see it? That pile over there, in the weeds..... let me get my binoculars..... well, look at that pile there......Are those the.... are those the spit out bones of Sweet Linda?...... Lol. ( Miss you dear, and I'm sure the crocodiles do too.)

G,
You say there is no evidence against Hilary, I say you are seriously misinformed on this , probably due to your bubble or echo chamber.

Hey Sark,

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:


I think k it all lies in the "making unto thee" a graven image TO worship (a dead image that is NOT Him, or doesn't point your heart to HIm). God is much more concerned with what is in our heart , then any religious following of even one of his commandments , to my view. That's my simple view on this . Perhaps it is TOO simple. An interesting and all too common example you give on the plague of "religion"in the Christian Church. That story reflects perfecly the EXACT destructive nature of legalistic or, modern day pharisitic adherence to Christian dogma, that is alive and well in flyover land, and I'm sure everywhere, that inspired me to write this. Blessings! :


Two faux sticks intersecting with an earthen vessel-

A
sharp
edged
stick
stands
sternly
sitting.
Silently
sounding
beating
stirring
emitting...
Into the air ,
a grating
noisy
self righteous
smoggy
disonant
repugnant
tone.

This
sharp
stern
stick
has in
his
nature
the urge,
to do
nothing
more than
to sanctimoniously
scrape
beat
or
stir

The
cross-ways
careless
haughty
gaze
served with a calloused condescending
premature
kiln ready
lawful glaze...
somehow
thought of
as earned ..

causes
a softer
SEEMING
insidiously slick
sneaky stick
to slither under
that disonant smog...
enticing
misguided views
of a
Master Potter
Whose
wheel
won't
turn!

As
the world's
wicked winds
blow,
the works
of that soft
sneaky stick
grow,
driving
weary
and fragile
refuge seeking
earthenware
to congregate
under the
judgemental
lawful stare
of the sharp stick
that is...
stirring
or beating
or scraping
in "there",
the stick's lair( the church)

Then,
as the
LIVING
FLOODING
WATERS
pound down...
That sneaky stick,
he starts heading for
higher ground..
BUT,
that
stern
sharp stick,
instead,
entices him to stay poking around.
Burrying himself
in the newly formed
soft
muddy
ground!

Though a stick can be wisely wielded with LOVE ...
And stir or scrape up an earthy vessel's passions
or beat down
It's yeasty suds...

Sometimes ...

A
stick
is just
REALLY
sneakily....
a soul smashing!
slithering!
stick in the mud!




Sarkems
I like bacon
because it tastes good.

Review Stars
 
Rank:  437

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 21, 2017 12:28 PM
Hey DJ, I keep meaning to ask, what is 'Flyover land'?


djeckert
Premier Author
Premier Reader

Poet Rating
 
Rank:  293 (+1)

Short Works Rating

Rank:  146 (+1)

Novel Rating
 

Review Stars
 

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 21, 2017 02:22 PM

Oh , hey Emma, flyover land is the land between NYC/ Washington DC and L.A.


Sarkems
I like bacon
because it tastes good.

Review Stars
 
Rank:  437

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 21, 2017 02:30 PM
Oh, I see ... because people 'fly over' between Washington and L.A. Thanks, I've been wondering for ages ...


djeckert
Premier Author
Premier Reader

Poet Rating
 
Rank:  293 (+1)

Short Works Rating

Rank:  146 (+1)

Novel Rating
 

Review Stars
 

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 22, 2017 12:33 PM

Hey Emma, there is a Lot of stuff in your utopia rant. A lot of good and wise ideas. I would like to address a few of them. But first, a few thoughts of my own on a utopia. Putting. aside whatever our own personal feelings or thoughts on the merits of a Theocracy might be. ( A related, but separate issue). If YOU were to set up a Theocratic utopia , if YOU had the power to set one up, what would it entail? I know we are not God, but we are told that we are made in His image, I suppose that it more than likely IS written upon our hearts what this may entail. My first thought would be, first and foremost, it needs to be incorruptible... This would implicitly mean that there MUST be a standard ...A standard of incorruptness,. would it not? Now, we all have thoughts and feelings as to what this standard should entail. Some, (or probably. MOST) we feel that , compared to what the Bible says, are fair , and some we are quite bewildered about. I would submit that as Paul suggest in the book of Romans, that we ALL really know in our hearts of hearts what is morally good and right. So in this light, being we all have our own sense of what is morally right ( perhaps as a result of our eating from the fruit of that tree of the knowledge of good and evil...Maybe it is THIS that separates us from God and walking WITH God in His Kingdom...A glorious example of the literal, metaphorically and prophetical aspects of God's Word). What exactly MIGHT put it all back to rights? A moral "line in the sand" , if you will. One, that when crossed, tells God "I'm in, with wanting to set up , and inherit YOUR Kingdom...My will is in alignment with yours to live in Your utopia". Of course, the other more GLORIOUS part of crossing that line, is the admission that you are only a sin filled human, and you need somebody, or some THING , to make you perfect .
To make you as if you never partook in that fruit. As if you were gloriously walking along again in that garden with your Creator. That utopia.

Is this Utopia here? Hell no.
Is it STILL, and still gloriously (here on earth) on its way?
Yes. This is what the manual says, and is all about. ( but not exactly in the same way that most modern, especially western Christians suppose) And under THIS light I will address some of the issues you put forth.

You say,

"My utopia seems far less complicated, and doesn't involve so much judgement. It's about as likely as yours, I'll admit, but at least it isn't based on some arbitrary idea of goodness/evil having a direct connection to what deity you devoted your life to believing in, which might not even be enough come the finish of it. "

To go more traditional in this area, it IS and does seem most exclusionary in the HOW that one gets to the Kingdom of God, as put forth by Jesus in John 14: 6. BUT it IS most inclusive , in regards to "whomsoever" may come through this gate . As put forth by Jesus through John's Words in John 3:16.
This is another simple fact that our sin filled and prideful hearts often seem to ignore or miss all together. THAT seems probably less complicated, or more complete than your utopia Emma.

You say,

"If the Maoris had done as the Christian have, and taken their religion abroad, enforcing it by missionary and sword, we'd all know who those two gods I mentioned earlier on are. Would we be happy to have had our own beliefs subsumed in this way? Rendered primitive and savage? "


The fact is, that they didn't, and couldn't. History tells us this. ( I will sometime look them up, to see what they WERE about) I know that the following idea is probably scoffed at, or maybe just ill- considered by the likes of atheists. This idea, that maybe the ACTUAL reason that Christianity HAS set itself up on this earth as the dominant force on earth ( and the surge of Islam / Moslem religion pitting itself against it, seems quite Biblical, as I will touch on later. ) , but the reason that Christianity as a religion is where it is today, could very well be precisely BECAUSE the God of the Bible exists.

I will admit that I am quite ignorant in the area of the eastern religions, and their exact place in this. But I will add that, to my limited knowledge , they are quite a bit "evangelized"in those cultures as well to the Christian religion. I say this mostly from my own observation and through my awareness of the works of Mother Teresa, and the teachings of Indian Christian apologist Ravi Zecharias. This, coupled with my faith in God being a totally Just and fair and loving God, leads me not to worry to much in this. ( Not to say, that there aren't many, many of God's people working in this area.)

You say,

"Some say the current Islamist takeover bid echoes that of Christianity in days of yore. A bloody, brutal enforcement of a belief system, with the hope that, by forced indoctrination, it will become the accepted norm. You could say 'it is not the same, it is more brutal', but that depends on your perspective. From the perspective of the Native Americans, who were slaughtered/sterilised/stripped of their land, the supposed benevolence of the culture they were forced to accept and adopt was immaterial. "


Those "days of yore" , those Christian crusades were in FACT a beating back by Christians of Islamic aggression. ( The furthering of God's kingdom here on earth perhaps????) So perhaps a perspective that isn't at all appreciated is the FACT that Islam or more accurately the Moslem religion (upon which Islam...A more political movement than religious, was based upon) the moslem religion was started some 600 years AFTER that most revolutionary "new creation" utopia setter-upper named Jesus.
What EXACTLY is that old Devil up to in regards to this late coming, in response to Jesus, movement?

(I would agree with the viewpoint of the American Indian being totally screwed. I spent 6 months as an intern at the poorest known reservation , Pine Ridge. And saw up close and personal many of the ravages of "the American Government" more than Christianity.

You say,

Islamists believe as you do. That we'd all be better off under the rule of their god. Sure, theirs is far less benevolent than yours is today, but rewind a few hundred years, and yours wasn't much better. Who knows, if the Western world was forced to live under Islamist rule, what the face of that religion will be four hundred years hence, and whether we'll listen when people point backwards and say, 'look what you did then'. 

This, although a mere human would be tempted to think on this line. The History of God moving His Kingdom forward , along with what the manual really tells us ( not a 600 year delayed , post Jesus, perversion of it). that this is not a worry. ( I will even say that Islam is doomed merely because it flies in the face of what exact moral sense is written on all of our hearts....But perhaps this explains why Satan is in such an effort to create a new, trans - human creature).

Of course, this is all simplification of the real world we live in today. But it is the " at the end of end of it all" take. Has there been a LOT of atrocious aggressions done in the NAME of Christianity , by the holders of the levers of power?( A whole other, yet related issue) Sure there has ( as in ALL names of religions) , but through it ALL, the Biblical worldview still stands , and quite gloriously. But...God's people still have a Lot of work to do...But not really...All that we really need to do is let the Lord work THROUGH us to continue in the building of HIS Kingdom, here on earth. Exciting times ahead! I will put my faith in Ephesians1 11-14, and Romans 8:8.
Blessings.



Sarkems
I like bacon
because it tastes good.

Review Stars
 
Rank:  437

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 22, 2017 02:03 PM
Thank you for your thorough response, there, DJ.

You can't really claim that Christians were beating back Moslem aggression when referring to the Native Americans or the Maoris, because they aren't Moslem.

The Maoris didn't spread their religion so much because they had no need/desire to live/conquer places further afield than those to which the Polynesians had already gone to. Why would they? When asked why Maoris hadn't invented the wheel, the answer was, 'because we didn't need it'. They didn't 'need' Christianity, they didn't want it, but it was forced upon them. Why? For their good? No. For the Christian Nation's gain.

You've talked elsewhere of teaching the Christian faith in schools, and I agree that it should be taught alongside other faiths and evolution. But what would you think if, in your country, the Moslems managed to get a foothold there, and forced you all, not only to become Moslem, but to stop speaking your native tongue at all, sterilize your women, and move your existing children in with respectable Moslem families?

That's what the so-called Christians did there. My friend's grandmother remembers a time when it was forbidden to speak Maori, and the only history taught in schools was British Christian (fortunately that is changing now). You can't blame the expansion of the British Empire, and the way it was done on a war Christians had with Moslems, because they weren't in New Zealand, or Australia, or North America. They were nothing to do with it. They were too busy empire-building elsewhere.

And, you know, for all that, the Maori religion was never wiped out. Because words in the heart cannot be taken, but I don't think they'll forget that members of a so-called Christian country tried damn hard to take it. Why? Because they wanted the locals to bend to their will, to dance to their tune, to be more like them. Makes it easier to steal their land when you've forcibly stopped them scalping you, and made them see, at gun-point, that it's really for their own good.

Which leads me on to my theocratic utopia you asked about. Not sure what your really asking, here, because my utopia wouldn't be theocratic. My utopia wouldn't even be atheist. I'd hate to live in a world where everyone thought like me, and believed like me, I'd die of boredom, but also, I couldn't do that to anyone else.

Frankly, I'd just like everyone to care for each other, and be cared for by each other. I'd like a world where pooled resources were the norm, where there was less 'mine', and more 'everyone's'. Yes, I know, cloud cuckoo land, but there you are. We are talking utopia, here.

But the trouble is, as I said before, that isn't everyone's 'utopia'. And that is why, there won't be a global utopia, because no individual utopias are the same. And every utopia, however noble it may sound, even mine, is based on 'I'. What world 'I' want to live in. Not what world Joe bloggs down the road wants to live in. Because maybe Joe Bloggs wants a lot of fast cars, and subservient women in his utopia.

So, however you play it, a theocratic utopia, or, indeed, any utopia isn't going to be for the benefit of everyone. It'll involve some oppression somewhere. You think we'd all be better off under your god. I think I wouldn't, personally. I, and countless others would be just as miserable as you would if you had to live under any god that isn't yours, yes?

The worlds you and I live in aren't so bad, really, are they? Other people might be allowed to do and believe things we don't really want/like to do and believe, but nobody's forcing US to do those things. I don't have to go to church. You don't have to burn your bible. Neither of us wants the kind of tyrannical dictatorship that would force us to do those things, so aren't we lucky that we don't live under one? I know I am.

Maybe we're closer to a realist utopia than we think. In my country, we aren't boiling people alive for heresy any more. That's a step forward.





reconciled

Review Stars
 
Rank:  382

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 22, 2017 02:34 PM
very well said. I agree with all that. appreciate you unfolding that DJ.


djeckert
Premier Author
Premier Reader

Poet Rating
 
Rank:  293 (+1)

Short Works Rating

Rank:  146 (+1)

Novel Rating
 

Review Stars
 

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 22, 2017 02:37 PM

Hey Sark,a few quick things for now. I didn't intend to leave the impression that the aggression against American Indians and even the Maoris , were a result of battling Moslem aggression. But doing a quick search of these people, because I know nothing about them. Even the pronunciation eludes me . How do you pronounce these" Maoris"? , I don't understand the pronunciation symbols on wikipedia ( perhaps the pronunciation is weird or impossible for English translation???Idk). One thing that struck me right away is this proclamation of them being indigenous to New Zealand in 1300 CE. This late date , to me seems quite unlikely, and I saw hints of a few articles suggesting such. Perhaps they agressed onto another culture ???Idk. I will try looking more into them. More coming I am sure.


Sarkems
I like bacon
because it tastes good.

Review Stars
 
Rank:  437

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 23, 2017 02:39 AM
Hey, DJ,
Actually, I never said they were indigenous. I pointed out that they were Polynesian, and that the Polynesians spread themselves over that particular part of the world. And certainly, they were/are a warrior people, who might well have usurped another tribe already in New Zealand (actually, the Maoris date back as early as the 10th century).

But I'm not really sure what that has to do with what happened to them when the British Christians got hold of them, apart from revealing that settling in other countries is not exclusively Western (which we knew), and that once they had their corner of the world, they didn't do much about leaving it. After all, it's a pretty big 'corner', Aboriginals and Hawaiians all have their roots in the same culture.

Archaeologists trace the Aboriginals (who received similar treatment from the British Empire) back 45,000 years (before some think the world even began, but definitely before Christianity was even heard of). So, not sure what the relevance IS of how long somebody has been somewhere, but if the notion is that Christianity has been around longer, I beg to differ.

My point, which I've sort of made before, and you've never really answered, is that the only reason Christianity, a Northern Hemisphere religion, has made it into these regions is because it was taken there by aggressive empire builders. It isn't there because it's any better than the religions which were already present in the invaded peoples.

And if our Maoris/Aboriginals and other Southern Hemisphere people, who have broadly similar cultural ideals had made it to Europe, and behaved as the European Christians did, we'd all have a very different religion. The fact that they didn't do that does not change the fact that the ONLY reason Christianity exists in those countries is because we took it there by force. Not because it is better, or right, or 'true'.

Look, I'm not saying the Maoris, Aboriginals, Native Americans weren't people who committed their own acts of brutality towards one another, and others around them. I'm just explaining the spread of Christianity in basic, tribal terms. That the 'why' and 'how' of it spreading is very simply through force. The same way that every other empire was ever built, from the Mongolians, to the Romans, and yes, very probably to the Maoris taking over New Zealand.

We in the West are just a bigger tribe with better weapons. Not better people, with a better religion. That's all I'm saying.




AnnaLinda
AnnaLinda (SweetLinda)

Poet Rating
 
Rank:  169 (+3)

Short Works Rating

Script Rating
 

Review Stars
 
Rank:  234

RE: Tear down those pyramids.
Reply on September 28, 2017 11:05 PM
I'm trying to catch up and this is getting complicated.
What happened to the pyramids??

I love that Sphinx! I'm wearing him now...around my neck. I must be a slave...Wait...I forgot, I'm a white supremacist!


   
Previous Page
1  2  3  4  5  6  7  -8-   9
Next Page


A book by our own Unspoken94.

Dawn Munro (ideasaregemsl-Dawn) writes: This is the finest work of nonfiction and if you read nothing else this year, I recommend "Conversations". Signed copies provided. Contact him for details.

Buy It On Amazon
A book by our own Brigitte Elko.

This is a story about a little girl who loses her favorite comfort object. During her search , she faces many obstacles which she must overcome. She tackles her environment with her problem solving skills. Boys will enjoy this book because the little girl gets in so much "trouble". Contact Brigitte for a signed copy.

Buy It On Amazon
A book by our own Celtic Angel.

This character-driven tale embarks on a journey towards self-worth involving Cass Backus, a young girl experiencing awkward teenage moments and bullying. Longing to escape her adolescent drama, she looks forward to reconnecting with her childhood friend, Brad. However, numerous obstacles and misadventures stand in her way. The question remains: Will Cass and Brad ever manage to catch up and take their friendship to the next level?

Buy It On Amazon



Advertise With Us