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Reply on September 7, 2017 06:11 PM


Uh oh!! It looks like Trump learned how to operate the White House's extreme weather equipment. I wonder if the alt-right conservative media still think Hurricanes are a liberal hoax created to justify climate change and to increase local shops' sales of bottled water and batteries?

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Reply on September 7, 2017 10:01 PM
I'm not sure about the liberal hoax bit, but I do remember how hundreds of conservative ministers took it upon themselves to preach that Katrina was God's judgement on the sinful and wicked people of New Orleans. It's odd how not a single voice was heard when the God-fearing folk next door met the same fate at the hands of Harvey. No doubt in their case, it was a test of faith.




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Reply on September 7, 2017 10:59 PM
Ha, some good Christian folks will use these natural disasters to promote their own purposes and to cause more pain. But good ole alt-right Conservative blogger Ann Coulter did say she'd blame Hurricane Harvey on Houston's lesbian ex-mayor before she'd blame it on climate change. I guess some people just can't stand hearing the truth about climate change or science at all.

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Reply on September 7, 2017 11:13 PM
I'm not a massive fan of Mr Nicholson, but maybe he got it right on this occasion




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Reply on September 9, 2017 02:37 PM
It's interesting that AJ attributes much of these storms to the activity of the sun. That's S-U-N.

I know that this kind of narrative doesn't make Lord Algore and his Luciferian brothers any money , or give them any power, so you probably won't hear this kind of narrative from your Luciferians owned news sources.


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Reply on September 9, 2017 03:04 PM
Ha, yep isn't it interesting how Jones has suddenly done an about face on his story for the cause of hurricanes. Doesn't take much imagination to know what he'd be saying if Clinton was president.








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Reply on September 10, 2017 05:04 AM
This thread has segued into politics, because despite avowed declarations of separation of church and state, large religions like Christianity, are, collectively, political movements. I'm not speaking of a person's faith, that's a different thing. Atheism is the same, as a collective movement.

But I say this. Some while back, Gloria mentioned about moving to atheism almost as a political decision, like switching political parties. This inability to separate what one believes, or does not believe, from who runs the country and how they do it is one of the cornerstones of why religion in all its forms exists, and why atheism, for some, becomes a religion in and of itself. It's all part of the collective pack mentality of humanity, and why collective religion is a man-made thing. Atheism as a political movement/Christianity as a political movement is about who wants who to be in power, and who thinks who is the better leader.

Imagine if we stripped all that away, and what we believe in, or don't believe in, ceases to be about other people, oppressing them, ruling them, leading them, controlling them, blaming them, advising them. What if we said, your beliefs, or lack thereof, are yours. To lead a country, you may not publicly align yourself with any church, or, indeed, any lack of it. Would that even be possible?

I am an atheist because I don't believe in god. End of. It's not because I don't like Christians, I like plenty of believers. It's not because I'm a socialist, in my country plenty of socialists are Christians. Though we are becoming infected by this malaise, in the past, despite our lack of official separation between church and state, my country has never been quite so interested in how fundamentalist our government is. Though religion has not kept out of politics, because the church has had a say in our country's doings, owing to the lack of official separation, in some strange way, that's kept the church as the church and the politicians as the politicians. The church isn't socialist, or alt-right, it's just the church. It doesn't back one political party or another. It is consulted (to a much lesser degree now than before), and raises its objections or support on issues like gay marriage, or contraception, but the Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't go making personal comments about the gender of the prime-minister's spouse, or laying the collapse of society's morals at the door of any political position. He's not Labour, he's not Conservative, he's a Christian. A spokesman for the Anglican Church, who can voice any objections the church may have about the way this country is governed, but can no longer guarantee, despite the church's retained status, that his objections will result in any changes, or prevention of any freedoms. He cannot, and does not, endorse one party over another. The public might vote in accordance with their own values, and whether they feel a government upholds them, but they aren't voting for, or against the church itself.

The church stands, predominantly, for the upholding of Christian values in our country, regardless of which party leads the country. And you may be surprised to know that I don't see its role in our society as a bad thing, because I'm seeing what kind of control you give to religion when you pretend to separate it from something it has always been part of, indeed, in early history, religions were the competing political parties for leadership in countries across the world. Of course, people didn't vote, one religion simply took control.

God doesn't belong in the White House. Those who seek to put him there, by attaching him to a political agenda do both him and his followers a grave injustice, because the implication is that one must be either 'right' or 'left', or whichever political group you attach your god to, to be a 'true' believer.

Now, DJ, I remember you saying once how it isn't about 'right' and 'left', yada yada, and how that's all some manufactured conspiracy to keep us at loggerheads, and how we've all bought into this lie, perpetuated by the globalists, and all that. I don't disagree with the manufacturing of the divide, but I don't think people like this Jones man, whose videos you post, endorse that view. He's clearly got a 'right-wing' agenda, and your response to Gloria's protestations about some of this man's actions is to fall into the old 'divide' trap yourself, by the negative 'you liberals'. Something you claim you don't do, but I've seen you do it time and time again.

Subconsciously (or, perhaps, consciously), in referring to (mainly) alt-right sources to back your argument, you've aligned with a 'side', and unwittingly aligned your god with a 'side'.

I remember you posting a thread asking who the great liberal speakers were, and being rather disparaging about my chosen selection because some were rather dry academics, rather than 'great orators'. I explained I've no real time for showmen, who are all charm and no substance. I've met actors who are 'great orators', doesn't mean anything that comes out of their mouth is good and true, just because they know how to sell it to a wider audience.

Be true to your god, if that is what you wish, DJ, but don't trap your god into picking a side, or reducing him to part of a product people like this AJ sell for financial gain and notoriety. You are an intelligent man, far more intelligent than those this character is really aiming his show at.


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Reply on September 10, 2017 11:44 PM << Modifed September 11 at 12:13AM >>
Hey Emma, it sounds like you have a serious libertarian bend. As do I, so I agree very much with the theory of almost everything you say here. But the same old "application of theory" problems will always exist in this. This is why, for the most part I write- off true libertarianism as a fantasy. It seems we humans will always have those people that... however it is that they are to grab the levers of power, they will always agress ( I know kiwi, I think it is, says this is not a word, but I would say it is, or should be)... They will always agress ( a libertarian word , coming from their non aggression principles) their religion onto others. The closest we ever got to achieving the fantasy of true libertarianism is of course the post American Revolution experiment that might have REALLY lasted only a few years.
I've Listened to many Libertarians point out and lament that as soon as this experiment went past the Declaration of Independence and started to spell out Human rights in the Bill of Rights , that this again gave over freedom.ultimately to the same old forces. And I tend to agree. As soon as the "lawyers and law breakers" had something spelled out and put on paper, then they had something to start poking holes into and create loop holes and work arounds to usurp it. It is my studied view that it IS a band of Luciferian worshippers, over many generations, that were able to slowly use this mostly free American system to build themselves up to the disgusting parasitic tic that they are now. ( Who want now nothing more than to dispose of the American experiment and all semblance of it all together...Thus causing our "current rub", as you Brits say.). This explains greatly the dual nature and confusion surrounding much of founding fatherdom. The Adam Weishaupt influence, the illuminati, the free Masons , the arguing over whether or not America was built on Christian principles(lol), on and on it goes. George Washington's own writings allude greatly to much of this battle. It is for these reasons and the obviousness ( to me anyways ) of the Biblical explanation of Lucifer (the prince of this world) coming to a head against the relatively soon to be manifested REAL Lord of the Heaven and earth, that I believe "religion" and a divide, unavoidable. I have said before, that I, personally would be perfectly happy to live in a world where religion didn't matter politically, but the Luciferian powers that be won't have it.
An intersting divide I might agree with is what libertarian podcaster/ activist Ernest Hancock always says. "The world is made up of people who just want to be left alone,and ones who just won't leave them alone."

In an intersting side note to your talk on the Anglican Church, N.T Wright was the Bishop of Durham from 2003 to 2010. He , in many of his writes talks of the inseparable nature of politics and religion.

As far as the AJ videos, I will say that I think Gloria probably posts 5 or 6 of them for every one I might post. Keep posting them G. I will add that, though he may or may not have what some might call dumb followers , almost ALL of the great minds, (from Christians to atheists) and activists that influence me and I respect, , almost to a T, either follow him, and/or greatly admire him, and/or agree very much with him, and think as a journalist, he and his information is VERY credible . I probably hear 100 positive comments or sentiments towards him for every one negative or derogatory comment. Though I admit that my echo chamber ( though very large and broad) sits diametrically opposed ( a divide) to the likes of G's echo chamber. Call it left / right whatever one wants to call it, I think this " divide" is unavoidable. Which, it is really too bad that there has to be this right/ wrong world . Lol. Someday , though it will be resolved, and if one is paying attention, I think they know when, or at least under what circumstances I think that will be. Whatever THAT is worth. Blessings!!!


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Reply on September 11, 2017 12:23 AM
Feel free to post as many Alex Jones videos as you like, DJ. I have however not used the words, "dumb" followers. Just thought I'd clear that up as you have a propensity to attribute labels to others that you have inserted into the conversation as you are so fond of using them yourself.

Hear! Hear! Emma. I have asked DJ many times about Jones's slanderous and factually incorrect theories, and even after proof is presented, straight from the horse's mouth as it were, the subject has been conveniently abandoned. For decades I've considered myself an atheist who believes in God. My God bearing no resemblance to the blood-thirsty, vengeful deity found in the Old Testament. My God was also unencumbered by irrational human emotion in the particular and not in any way involved or concerned with the day to day minutiae of human activity, and it was an act of arrogance to think it so. Most definitely God was not keeping tabs on my or any other person's, thoughts, words and deeds to determine suitability for heaven or hell. Under my God the only moral absolute was to treat our planet and other sentient beings, including animals, with respect, compassion and kindness--not as easy to do as it might seem. To demand or look forward to a day when divine justice will be meted out by a supreme being upon others for wrongdoing considered an act of malice. By biblical standards my beliefs were judged as blasphemous. So my decision to properly align with atheism isn't quite as capricious as it might seem.

Politically I've been a Conservative (the Canadian equivalent of the American Republican) for the better part of three decades. How things have changed when I wasn't paying attention and Canada has not been immune to the effects. Now I see a world consumed with fantasy and an anything-goes culture has resulted in the formation of rigid class divisions, out-of-touch politicians, Puritan fanatics and Internet wackos "who mix show business, hucksterism, and conspiracy theories". How surprising to see criminally convicted televangelist Jim Bakker back in full swing, again frightening his flock with outlandish claims that Americans are descending into cannibalism and that Trump opponents have triggered the apocalypse.. Bakker makes Alex Jones look like a regular piker.

I believe in evolution, sciences, and the humanities. Those are my terms of reference because that is how my brain has been wired from the beginning. It is from that vantage point (combined with the last American election and outcome) that I see the move to erase the line of separation of church from state as a huge step back into the cruel and brutal dark ages.

The one thing I am thankful for is that Trump isn't an ideologue. That fact gives me hope because if he was capable of a focused vision there would be incredibly hard times ahead. But even at that, the current widespread movement to place fanatical zealotry and all opinions on the same level as evidence and known facts is perilous enough for me to no longer in good conscience selfishly entertain my idea of God. It was all in my imagination anyway, right?

Those who want the world to end so they can go to their promised land will have a battle on their hands even though I'll never understand why they believe it is their God-given right to take everything and everyone with them because they think they are right and everyone who doesn't agree is wrong.





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Reply on September 11, 2017 04:02 AM << Modifed September 11 at 4:23AM >>
DJ, I'm not really a libertarian, and I'll tell you why. Libertarianism hands control over to the rich, and leaves the poor with no support. Libertarians think government should be reduced to the extent that businesses can do as they choose (hello sweatshops and 19 hour days on ten pence an hour), nobody should pay taxes, so that's the education of the poor (and, come to that, the average Joe) out of the window, not to mention the health. It'd be like Victorian England, with slum living and ten year olds working in horrendous conditions. Those who think I'm exaggerating need to look at the businesses who outsource for cheap labour, and see the conditions those folk live in. Libertarianism, to me, invites rampant capitalism.

We are a society. A progressive society looks after its people. It doesn't abandon them to the caprices of human greed. A government should be there as an arbitrator, to protect the people against exploitation (as far as possible), and provide an environment in which the most vulnerable in society have an equal chance at changing their circumstances with the most privileged. Unfortunately, there are people who see the necessity of some form of collective responsibility as a 'communist dictatorship', without seeing the possibility of such collective responsibility creating a middle ground which might just help to avoid a 'capitalist dictatorship'.

Now, I appreciate that this IS a utopia, which we have not quite found. Extreme right or left is not a good thing, when control is abused. Too much control gives you Hitler and Stalin. Too little control also gives you those people in the form of an Oligarchy, in which the majority become the servants of the minority.

I don't ask for the 'freedom' that comes with little, or no, government, because, for the majority, that wouldn't be freedom. The laws we have, though it sounds contradictory, gives the majority freedom from tyranny and oppression by an unchecked minority of assholes who rise to the top in lawless societies.

All I ask for is that, at each election, I vote for the people I think has the closest vision of my 'middle ground' utopia, and whether they are Christian, Atheist, Hindu, Buddhist or a sodding Jedi Knight has no relevance. What they pray to is their affair. I didn't vote for their god, I voted for their policies, and if their god has an influence on their policies (like, say, the creation of an Islamic State), then I'll say no, thank you.

I don't care if Theresa May goes to church on Sunday or not. I care that she's continuing the Tory erosion of support for the vulnerable in society, and handing control over to big businesses I didn't vote for. If she turned around tomorrow and said, as she slashes the NHS budget further into the ground, 'This is god's will', I'd be horrified, no matter which 'god' it was. Because the implication would be that she was doing something on the orders of a higher authority, which we, the electorate, cannot depose.

See what I mean? I don't want something I can't see, some force I cannot argue with, reason with, or stand outside the doors and protest against, making the decisions. Ask yourself this question: Would you really, in your heart of hearts, want a fundamentalist Christian leader, who told you he'd seen god in the Oval office, and god had commanded him to make such and such a law? You've only got his or her word for it.

Do you really want the equivalent of the Pope up there saying, 'god says no'?

No, I'm not a libertarian, but I'm buggered if I'm going to give up my democratic rights and live in a total, unquestioned theocracy, no matter how benevolent the god is. Not least because the god is only as benevolent as the man believing in it. Would you like/want your country to presided over by someone claiming to be acting for a god you didn't believe in? If the answer is no, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Neither do I. I don't mind his spokespeople having their say, just as I have mine, but I don't want to feel that challenging the government on fiscal practices and welfare of the people is going to be met with the answer, 'my god says your wrong, and if you don't like it, there's a boat in the morning'. Because that's what even the most benevolent of theocracies leads to. The casting out of unbelievers. Calling those who don't support their President's actions traitors to their god.

   
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