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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 27, 2017 09:44 AM


Good to see you Dis, you're so right, we are in trouble, as a country...I realize that we all have the right to vote as we wish, but by now, I just don't understand how blind some choose to be...and it is by choice...sadly we all will suffer the consequences of this presidency...we are seeing a complete overhauling of the ideals of the country, at last that's how I see it...there's always been problems we've had to deal with, but now this man in white house has made it worse...Hope all is well with you!

Just Some Thoughts!


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 10:58 AM

Dis,when you say

"Add to that that the Book you are referring to has been translated, edited, updated and had various new versions created over the years. The Old testament has been translated through various languages before reaching an accepted English version. "


That is simply not correct. Though there are many translations put forth through the years, each one is painstakingly compared to the original Greek and Hebrew. Though your funny "stoned" interpretation makes a very small point. The bigger point is that the Message of the Bible through every Scholarlly accepted translation is very, very consistent. The discovery of the dead sea scrolls have even bolstered the fact that it has been consistent for , O.k 1850 to 4ooo or more years.





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This is the day which the Lord has made; Let us rejoice and be glad in it.
Psalms 118:24 NASB
http://bible.com/100/psa.118.24.NASB

This, I will meditate upon, despite my great sorrow over the still slumbering, neutered church. The people of God who only believe the comfortable, loving parts of their Bibles.
As the church had obsessed over the most important, loving part: The Grace filled , Evangelical, salvation message of the Bible, their huge blind spot to the rest of the Bible narrative has allowed Lucifer, or the "prince of this world" ( you know, the very cause for the reason FOR our salvation) to be busy working to successfully build his Beast system.( between the cracks of our complacency, comfort and distraction, coupled with our misguided view that spiritual warfare doesn't exist anymore).. The one those sleepy believers refuse to notice or even see....This Luciferian system that has now come up against the awakened parts of the Church...The growing numbers of people that are coming to believe their WHOLE Bibles. ( Red blooded people of ALL races and ethnicities, unfortunately , I still need to point this out....BUT, Lucifer's lies run deep.)

"Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 8:43‭-‬44 NASB
http://bible.com/100/jhn.8.43-44.NASB


The awakened people understand that Jesus,in that verse, wasn't JUST talking to the Pharisees, they are the ones who ARE paying more attention to the ignored other parts of the NewTestament ( besides just the controversial, neutering, rapture doctrine). and NOT only ONE part of the Gospel message...The Jesus as a personal Savior message.

For instance, the awakened church is really heeding :
Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:11‭-‬13 NASB


They are Finally putting the entire Gospel message about the Kingdom of God, starting right here, right now, to work ... The one that Jesus illustrated. You know, those more uncomfy things, like taking up His cross, "laying down you're life for a Brother, If they persecuted ME,they will persecute you" ... Fighting the prince of this world, to bring in the coronation of the "on Earth as it is in Heaven " destination that Jesus told us all to pray for. You know thy kingdom come , HIS WILL BE DONE. Praise the Lord!

It is interesting that it is commonly thought that idiomatically, and prophetically, Peter represented the church.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:18‭-‬19 KJV


These keys, " keys of the Kingdom of heaven".... What is Peter ( the church) locking up here on earth, that are also being locked up in heaven? ....And vice versa. .... Could this be Jesus telling the church that Heaven and earth are intimately intermingled and that the church, in fact, holds the key to bringing the two together? Maybe even why Jesus says "only the Father knows the hour" Interesting questions, I think.


"You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers." But he said to Him, "Lord, with You I am ready to go both to prison and to death!" And He said, "I say to you, Peter, the rooster will not crow today until you have denied three times that you know Me."
Luke 22:28‭-‬34 NASB
http://bible.com/100/luk.22.28-34.NASB


How many times has the church denied?

Perhaps only the Father knows the hour that the rooster crows.



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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 12:11 PM
DJ instead of ignoring my question why don't you answer this truthfully:

DJ your wrote, "G, I don't call you a crocodile because you have a policy of "do no harm". That is a typically ridiculous logical leap . Though doing no harm can be a noble and loving thing, the modern Liberal's ideas ( ooh, I stepped in it there) on love seems to be seriously lacking in the more "hard edged" parts of love The parts of love that include protective rules and discipline and concepts on actions and consequences, submission and the like.
I call you a crocodile because having read enough of your writing, I know that you are VERY well aware of exactly what it is that Trump supporters believe on all of those questions that you posed.

You post up questions that you already know the answers to, simply as bait to draw those you don't agree with into the weeds so you and your crocodile cronies can browbeat and virtue signal together with each other as a weird "communal chewing". If you want to disagree with Trump supporters, that's fine, but engaging them in less predatorial, more honest ways , is more appreciated by me anyways."

Go ahead DJ. Who are the crocodile cronies you are referring to?



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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 02:26 PM

G, a few things. When you say,


"I also know what SOME Trump supporters believe, what I don't know is what YOU believe regarding those questions. I'll ask you again. What jobs do you see being brought back from overseas? What are you doing about the corruption in Washington right now? What do you want the Affordable Care Act replaced with? Do you believe the DACA/Dreamer children should be deported? What charges do you think warrant Clinton's incarceration? "

Thanks for admitting that you DO know these answers.
But, here are my own answers as to what I personally think on them.

Although, I am no longer a policy wonk ( I gave that up years ago) because quite frankly, G, the world's problems don't stem at all from Washington DC. ( Merely a symptom) They stem from the kinds of things that I go on on and on about. A spiritual blindness. A not even knowing morally which end is up. This blindness is what always causes people problems... Personally, and corporately. It always has and it always will.

Going back to what we HAD in medicine, though horrible, is infinitely better than the affordable care act. Of course I am of the belief that our medical system is one of our biggest killers in America.
And wouldn't suggest ANY kind of allopathic medical model as really helping anyone ***. But at least from a purely economic perspective, what we had ,( charity care) simply worked in supplying medical coverage to the needy. The greedy PTB just didn't like seeing all of that kind of "profitable welfare" being left out of their fingers. That's why the insurance companies wrote the dammed bill. ( Coupled with the promise of ultimate power and control....Shocking!!).

As to jobs, it's my understanding that lower corporate taxes would, or could take away the undeniable incentive for corporations to no longer be in America.

Stay tuned on Clinton, as I am sure you are starting to see.

The DACA act.... If people STILL didn't bother to follow the laws put forth by our established Government system that wants to consist of laws and rules, then as unfortunate as it may be for some, they should be deported. I am under the impression that Trump actually is quite lenient in just wanting productive people who overtly want to follow our country's laws and actually want to be devoted to the American dream and the spirit that made America great. He actually only wants to deport known law breakers and America haters to the last of my awares, but I ain't a wonk, so I am sure you can set me straight on how awful Trump's attempt at immigration policy is by showing how "unfair "it is.

Truly interesting and exciting times ahead. Everybody keep your Bibles handy. Now go chew on that! Lol.


***My opinion on "healthcare " hasn't changed. Here is an old write that gives my opinion about it.

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, thou shalt also forget thy children." Hosea 4;6

A simple fact that I find very perplexing is how our society is constantly handed a false paradigm in which it is asked to function.
In this instance, it involves healthcare. More specifically, Obamacare. We are asked to swallow a large worthless pill (how aprapo), that says "our healthcare system as it exists allready is what everybody needs ! "
Now, regardless of how it gets funded, I submit for consideration the FACT that our healthcare isnt even "health" care.
NEVER does our healthcare system make anyone with any chronic disease state actually healthier, and ALWAYS, does it cover up or mask symptoms. Even it's ability to treat acute infections through the use of antibiotics ultimately inducts us into the disease state through the genociding of our beneficial intestinal flora which are crucial to our immune system. Really the only thing, I can honestly say, our healthcare is good for is emercency and trauma care. Keeping someone breathing . But maybe rhat should just be called emergency care. (I digress again )

The masking of symptoms with some kind of pharmaceutical product may make us "feel better" for a while, but notice the subsequent need for more and more pharmaceuticals to cover up more and more resulting symptoms. This ultimately brings us farther down the disease spectrum path which looks something like this... chronic pain, infection, high blood pressure, arthritis and diabetes, then heart and liver disease and ultimately cancer!!! dum!dum! dum! CANCER the big C, the granddaddy jackpot zeitgeist for the allopathic pharmaceutical jing making priests in the white robes. (Oops, I meant labcoats).

I find it very interesting that a greek translation for the word sorcery is pharmakia (strongs concordance : G5331 for anyone interested, the first two definitions are : 1: The use or administering of drugs, and 2: poisoning).

Our healthcare system is exactly analogous to taking your car into the repair shop because the check engine light is on. You then have your all knowledgeable car care expert in his sacred blue uniform give you a piece of masking tape, and has you slap it over the idiot light. Voila!! problem solved. Then, when your car has a severe "engine attack" well, now Mr. Goodwrench really pulls in some serious jing. You wouldnt go back to that mechanic would you ? ...Would you? (or, maybe with Ohgoodwrenchcare you have no choice.)
REAL healthcare would involve getting education about REAL nutrition. It involves detoxifying our bodies, and being able to breathe clean air, eat unadulterated food, and drink pure water. Then, we can stand back and let God's perfect creation heal itself God 's way. Period. PERIOD? Did i just say PERIOD? ( a call back to Obama's promise " you WON'T have to change your doctor. Period", he said)
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. "Romans 12;2.

My little diatribes are my way of, to quote a great Casting Crown's song,
"like voices in the wilderness, we're crying out, as the day draws near we sing until the whole world hears!"




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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 03:36 PM
Jeesh ...

I don't want to get in the middle of this, but I AM CURIOUS TOO. At least answer the ONE question:

"Go ahead DJ. Who are the crocodile cronies you are referring to?"

AND, I have a simple one. A woman from let's say Mexico enters the U.S. illegally with her five-year-old daughter. What is the CRIME that her daughter has committed?


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 04:42 PM << Modifed October 31 at 4:47PM >>
Two hearing impaired women one white one black dared niagra falls to cross over into Canada ....somehow they made it , which of these women committed a crime severe enough to not recieve citizenship.......?


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 04:48 PM
Neither.


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 05:48 PM
I love your illustration recon. Bravo. Cahill, sometimes life is just what it is. Of course a little girl didn't commit a crime. To quote you...."Jeesh".

Sorry Dis, I see that I credited you with the quote that was Kiwi's. Yours was the "stoned liar" quote. Kind of clever.


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 06:14 PM
His illustration is a non sequitur and has nothing to do with anything.

If the little girl didn't commit a crime then why is she being deported?

STILL no answer to the question. OF COURSE, there never will be. BRAVO.

A black woman, a Chinese woman and a white woman order Mexican food ... who gets the contract to build the wall?


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RE: What Trump Supporters Say
Reply on October 31, 2017 06:37 PM
. A woman from let's say Mexico enters the U.S. illegally with her five-year-old daughter. What is the CRIME that her daughter has committed

Also, in this case, Cahill a non sequitur, or what one might call a sad, unfortunate non sequitur...But one just the same.

   
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