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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 4, 2017 06:09 PM << Modifed December 5 at 3:19PM >>
I can only speak to what I know, I say that because, we all have our own ideas on any given subject...I can't say anyone is right, or they are wrong...just speak from my own experiences as an American.

It was proven that the Catholic authorities were aware of abuse, both verbal and physical and have settled suits because of it....The Archdiocese has filed a petition for a mortgage on land it owned behind St, Patricks Cathedral here In Manhattan, the money (100 M)...was to fund a compensation program for the people abused by priests...so they are now paying for their silence...

I'm sure its not only those Catholic priests, and yes nuns, that find themselves in trouble...the same things do occur in other Protestant churches.


I don't know what is meant by, "when required"....but I do know that those in authority do not always ask the necessary questions...NewYork City has one of the largest teacher's unions in the state, with a great deal of political power, and authority...sometimes too much.

Recently a teacher was charged with sexual abuse, and was removed from the classroom, and placed in a non- teaching position...It is not easy to fire a teacher, there's the process of arbitration that can go on for a while...also the union does all it can to allow the teacher to continue on the job, even as arbitration is going on.

There have been several teachers fired because of sexual abuse, but the union will do all it can to keep the teacher's credentials current...I don't know how the system works in other places, but thats how it works here...or did work, when I was in the classroom, and it certainly hasn't changed that much.

The rights of children has been strengthened here, and because of that special attention is paid even to the parents of a child thought to be abused...parents can have their children taken away a lot quicker than they once could...and quite frankly I don't think that's always a good thing.

I've see a child getting out of order in a shopping mall, and when the parent/person tried to chastise them the child threatened to call the police...and say they were abusing them, and in most cases that person/parent was in for quite a bit of explaining.

What a child sees around then does have a lot to do with their perception of what life is about, and what they will have to deal with as adults ..and it can have an effect on their own behavior...the children in my classrooms were an example of that, perhaps children in other countries are different.

Public schools are a conglomeration of many different life styles, and not everyone deals with their children's problems in the same way...the end result is what matters in a world where each child/adult has to learn how to get along and face, sometimes, very hard lessons.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 5, 2017 03:58 PM
In the event my post somehow shut down the conversation, that was not my intent. It's a very important discussion and long overdue. This may be the first time in public view, victims are beginning to speak of the crimes against them without accepting the shame they've lived throuigh for years.

When thiese nasty people seem to be able to to be forgiven and encouraged to continue in positions of power, many victims must relive the filth of their violation. To imagine a man like Moore can win an important election brings this issue very much into the public eye. And no, I haven't forgotten that Trump lived through his Billy Bush incident and the public acknowledgement by many women as to gis sexual misconduct.

It is particularly revolting when religion is brought out as a defence. It galls me when I continually hear about Moore being a hood Christian.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 5, 2017 05:05 PM
On the contrary, Ingrid - what you've had to say on the topic is important and appreciated. I (for once) just think I've said enough. There also seems to be (unsurprisingly) a lack of dissenting voices on this topic.


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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 12:51 AM
It is a serious subject worth detailed and proper examination as all sexual crimes are not equal and that's how they are being judged. Of course the people who lie and deny and claim devoutness are believed and people who tell the truth are punished. A recent poll in Alabama found 71% of those contacted did NOT believe the women's allegations. There's a whole lot lying going on and it isn't coming from the victims.

Here's a joke from the president's Twitter feed.

What does the security guard say when a birther, a tax evader, white supremacist, misogynist, anti-Semite, liar, Bible thumper, sex offender and a Republican walk into the mall?

"Come on Roy, you are banned from here and you know it."


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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 01:21 AM
LOL Gloria - and those are his "good" points.


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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 02:05 AM
Moore's horse is nice, but the man is a far-right, religious nut job.

In the meantime, the NRA failed to keep Roy Moore out of the national spotlight, where he may repeat his ultra-fringe views on guns, which include the belief that mass shootings are God's punishment for our sins.

Trump sure activated a lot of conflict.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 02:25 AM
I am not religious, but I would take issue with the claim that abuse is 'rife' in the Catholic church. Sure, it happens, and that church in particular enforces rules such as celibacy for priests that make it more likely, but it is certainly not an everyday thing - not any more, if it ever was.

It is good to see a new openness about reporting cases of abuse within the church and that the church itself is more likely to admit to and try to make up for past cases. That Cardinal Pell in Australia can be brought to trial for alleged offences, even though he is high up in the church and has the ear of the Pope himself is a good sign. Alas, human nature being what it is, such offending will never be wiped out entirely.

As a teacher here in NZ, I can state that the Teachers' Council vigorously denounces any confirmed abuse by teachers and those guilty of it are immediately de-registered. My personal policy is not to have any social media contact with students and never to be alone in a room with a student unless doors and windows are wide open. Better safe than sorry - sometimes the accusations ARE false.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 03:55 AM
I think, Steve, you underestimate the extent of the problem in not only the Catholic Church, but, as recent evidence has highlighted, in other denominations as well. Nevertheless, there are good reasons why it should be more of a problem in Roman Catholicism - the celibacy issue, for one.

As for teachers, I was, as recently as a few years ago spending most of every working day in Schools - primary and high school, and had great opportunity to watch teachers at work. I would say without any hesitation that I believe the majority of teachers today are the salt of the Earth - caring, dedicated, and compassionate. I would also say that what I have witnessed in recent times bears no relationship whatsoever to the state of affairs when I was a school student.

I've seen things that would make your blood curdle. I saw a primary student lifted by the throat, using a wall for leverage, towards the roof by a school principal. After being left hanging, choking, for some time, he was then flung across the room like a rag doll. I've seen a high school teacher, when a student refused to present his hand for caning, repeatedly bash the student around the head and body with the cane, using all his force. When the student fell to the asphalt covered ground, the teacher continued to assault his head and body with the stick as he lay prone.

In the same school, the principal appeared convinced he was a drill sergeant in the army. In 100 degree heat, he would make students stand for hour-long assemblies, drilling them until on more than one occasion, I saw students faint. The same principal used to call out in these assemblies students whose parents hadn't paid their $18 yearly school fees. He used to make them stand at the front, while he instructed the rest of the assembled students how these "bludgers" were denying the school access to equipment because their parents couldn't afford the fees.

I could go on. My experiences at the hands of one teacher were mild compared to other abuses I saw, but they were enough that I'd gladly break both the little shit's kneecaps for him. In fact, a couple of years ago, I found myself in the same room as this cretin (now almost 80), and I refused to go within 20 metres of him, just in case I felt the temptation to do exactly that.

The point of this rather long-winded ramble is that both in the past, and now, things go on - whether at church, or in school, or in the work place - that shouldn't. And much of the time, no one has a clue. Yes, there is such a thing as innocent until proven guilty. But we need to be very, very careful before we dismiss any claims of abuse of any sort.


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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 04:21 AM
Keep in mind, while there are many cases of people in positions of trust who betray that trust AND people in positions of power who abuse that power, the real issue at hand is the millions of people who are SUPPORTING one of these abusers.

Roy Moore is an abuser and should be condemned for it. It doesn't mean that all judges or politician's are abusers.

However, what in Holy Hell is wrong with these people who are about to send a man like that to the United States Senate as their representative?

He has the endorsement of Christians. What kind of Christians, I don't know. Not the kind that I am, that much I can tell you.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 6, 2017 09:17 AM
Was it last week that Trump was carrying on about how he was being considered for the cover of Time? What an irony that victims of sexual assault are gracing this year's cover, degined as the most influential subject of the year.

   
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