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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 11:58 PM << Modifed November 24 at 12:01AM >>
Oops. Posted at the same time, Gloria. I can only say, I agree 100 percent with every word you posted. Of course, I don't think they'd allow me in one of their churches. :))


This is the CURRENT language regarding Church involvement in politics as it relates to tax exempt status;

(Keep in mind, Trump wants this ELIMINATED from the tax code and is backed, of course, by the folks you are talking about)

For the record: Here is a Christian who thinks Roy Moore should be hung up by the balls or some other suitable way of removing him from the Senatorial race. No one in the church I attend is a supporter of Moores or any other child molester or women abuser. Maybe these people are NOT Christians and just LIARS.


Anyway, here's the text:

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.  Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes. 
Certain activities or expenditures may not be prohibited depending on the facts and circumstances.  For example, certain voter education activities (including presenting public forums and publishing voter education guides) conducted in a non-partisan manner do not constitute prohibited political campaign activity. In addition, other activities intended to encourage people to participate in the electoral process, such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives, would not be prohibited political campaign activity if conducted in a non-partisan manner.
On the other hand, voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will constitute prohibited participation or intervention.


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 12:46 AM << Modifed November 24 at 12:49AM >>
Here is the executive order Trump, who had almost no interest in anything religious before his run for president.

May 4, 2017, Trump gives churches 'their voices back' with approval to take part in partisan politics.

Trump signed the order directing the IRS not to take "adverse action" against the tax-exempt status of churches and other religious organizations who engage in political speech. His action undermines the 1954 Johnson Amendment, which has barred charitable groups, including churches, from overtly endorsing or opposing political candidates.

Propaganda Barbie who openly endorsed Roy Moore however can be penalized for encouraging support for a political candidate.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 01:08 AM
Thanks, MC. So, how then can the churches get away with the donations CF talked about without jeopardizing their charitable status?

I've seen discussions dissolve rather quickly here (very recently--LOL) when it is derailed by throwing God's word into the discussion. This involves religious groups, but has nothing to with God. And, Gloria, your description of mob mentality is very apt.

If Moore wins the election, this will become a hurricane and there is absolutely no way religion will avoid being front and center in the whiplash. the


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 01:16 AM
Well, as Gloria has pointed out, Trump has already directed the IRS to IGNORE the long established law AND he has the loud and fervent backing of those who elected him ... the very people who now back this child molester. By the way, this guy is a nut job anyway. His views are off the hook to begin with. He believes gay behavior should be illegal and compares it to bestiality. It goes on from there.

Remember, The Supreme Court is already under the control of the far right now. So, taking it to court has an ultimate result that is NOT favourable.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 01:18 AM
In Australia, churches also have tax-exempt status. I'd love to know why.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 01:30 AM
The potential for severe brainwashing and indoctrination is down-right scary. No one believed what could happen in Germany was possible. I feel a real fear that if this all plays out, the repercussions would put America back 100 years.b


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 01:33 AM
In theory, they are non-profit organizations. All of the monies they take in go to helping people, feeding the poor etc. My little church contributes quite a bit to the community for its small size. Other churches in the area seem suspect ... The ministers drive rather nice cars etc. THEN there are churches that appear to be filthy rich, yes? Fifty shades of GREEN. (Green is the colour of money in the U.S., I'm finally getting that all my references aren't understood world wide LOL)

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 02:10 AM
I get what you mean about the little corner church Michael, and have no doubt some of them make fine contributions to their communities.

But I think the tax breaks such little congregations get would be a pittance compared to the billions bestowed upon the big denominations (to which, of course a little community church might or might not belong).

The big churches are run like the most finely-tuned huge corporations. They rake in massive amounts of money from things like retirement villages. In many cases, they bleed defenceless old people dry, charging ridiculous amounts, all the while paying not a cent. And yes, I don't think you'd see the head honcho of Hillsong driving around in a 20 year old Prius.


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 03:05 AM
You've really hit on it. It's no different than the situation for the poor here. Huge tax breaks for the rich on the menu touted as breaks for the poor. Tax exempt status lining the pockets of Church officials in the money machine conglomerate churches and yep, doesn't do my little church a great deal of good. However, a thousand bucks of tax breaks for us is twenty meals for thirty people at the homeless shelter ... not a newer car for Brother Hightower.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 24, 2017 09:01 AM
Just a couple of weeks ago Da Vinvi's painting of Jesus sold for $460+ milllion dollars--purchaser unknown. Who has that kind of money?

I ruled out anyone from the Arab countries. Jesus? I don't think so. Putin. rumoured to have billions stashed all over the world? Unlikely Gates, Buffet, Oprah? I couldn't imagine. It left only one possibility in my mind, and that was The Vatican. Then again, perhaps it was Queen Elizabeth. My bets are on the Catholic Church. I wonder if we'll ever find out.

The distraction of pious worship allows the business of the church to go unnoticed. Over the centuries we have become very used to the wealth of many of these denominations. If we look back to the era of Falwell TV evangelists, the scandals that rocked those ministries has faded from most people's memories. The congregation offers a shield from the corruption that takes place--in the name of God. Again, there is no way to find out when social or financial auditing is absent. Cynical, pragmatic questioners will always be blocked from the truth. But, yes, how many millions have been paid out by the church to protect their priests and the reputation of the church?

An interesting point raised about preying on the defenceless elderly who often have little to hang onto except their faith. Families are comforted by the attention of the pastor, and I'd like to think in most cases it is sincere, but I am reminded of funeral directors's demeanor when trying to sell upgrades when their clients are at their lowest point and often can't think rationally. Why not, if they can't take it with them, would the elderly person not leave their estate to the church that has sustained them? Easy pickings, but perhaps I've become too cynical. Why not indeed if the church has always been there when others abandon the infirm?

   
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