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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 22, 2017 05:11 PM
LOL. If you have trouble with the feminist lable, just imagine how the GOP feels with the extremes in their party. Yes, Emma, I am older than you--67, and O too would have.have had, a problem with people trying to change words to some gender-neutral whitewashed language. Maybe we should thank transgenders for coming out of the closet. Perhaps they can describe human rights from a more grounded and knowledgeable foundation.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 22, 2017 09:09 PM


My thoughts, and sympathies go to both of the parties involved in this conversation...Its easy to say, and clearly understandable that those hurt by the lasting effects of sexual abuse should be consoled...Somehow I do believe, though, that there will be changes made...both by men, all by themselves, and by whatever authorities decide to support.

I'm older than all of you...(83)...so I can speak to the times, when a woman received no help when her husband/mate, decided that she was simply his private property...It was the norm when I was a child, most women were stay at home mothers/wives...and did the necessary things needed to care for their family...and oddly enough they had been taught that was how it should be.

Pass forward now to this time in our history...more woman have college educations than ever before, they travel more, hold positions that would never have been given to a woman in the past, some even own their own business, and feel free to do more.

I know I'm not telling you anything that is not known, but at about 20 years older than some of you, I can speak from actual living experience...perhaps what some of your parents can tell you.

Not all men had it so easy either, and had to struggled to further there lifestyle for their families...especially before unions were established......I'm not talking about the racial problems, that's an entire separate discussion, what I'm talking about is the man down the street, the lady across the street, and the parents, of the children I went to school with.

History does give women the honor they deserve, without them working in factories that made the supplies for the war effort, doing without, so that their children didn't,
who knows how many women worked at jobs, that were usually done by men..

It was the woman that held the children tight during air raids, for fear that it might be for real...I can remember having to turn off all light, close windows, and sit quietly until the all clear sounded, I was about nine or ten, and it was my mother and grandmother that kept the house neat and clean... and yes my mother worked in a butcher shop, next door, and did cleaning for other families, where the wives worked.

At one time, there were more woman on my block than men, our fathers, husbands were drafted, there was no choice...my father, an uneducated hard working man, was drafted into the navy..

Of course that was way back in 1945 and 1946, but I think woman have come a long way since then...yet I don't see them as scared little people either.

There's so much that can be said about the lives of the average woman, it would take pages, and pages...I guess each of us speak from a different perspective, as I've never seen anything but strong woman in my younger days...yes they may not have been treated as equals to men, but without them many of the successful men, wouldn't have made it...

Its time for the woman of today, to look back, and take notice of the women of yesterday, I think they would learn something,..every thing's not in a school book, law book, or in any book for that matter...strength come from within, without fear, holding one's head up high, being a woman before wanting a corner office (no I don't mean staying home cooking and cleaning either).

When I look around at so many of my friends, that made it, in even some small way, I see strength...I don't expect any of you to see things as I do, simply because we all have lived different lives, some here in the US, some elsewhere, and I don't think the history of woman is the same everywhere...

I do know what it was like here, as I aged, but know little about other places, Canada, England, Australia, and Sarkems Island, are taught to me from history books, essays, forums like we have here, and yes by intermingling with the different people I met in schools, and while working in the school system...but experience is still the best teacher..I think!

(again I didn't edit, sorry)...

Just Some Thoughts...


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 04:59 AM
I agree, wholeheartedly, Mrs M. No matter how far apart we are, I think we all see strength in the women we know who have succeeded, sometimes against the odds.

My mother in law, who is the same sort of age as you, Mrs M, had a long career as a pharmacist. In her training days she was the only female in the class. She did what she wanted to do (well, almost, she wanted to be a doctor, but her parents couldn't afford the tuition. Pharmacy was a shorter course).

But for all those women who were trail blazers, who boldly went where no woman, etc, there were women who held fast to their traditional roles. And that was fine, as long as it was because that was their choice.

And this is the thing I think some modern feminists miss. Feminism should always be about having the right to make choices. It isn't wrong, or backwards for a woman to choose a traditional role of homemaker and mother over a career, or juggling motherhood with a career. What IS wrong is not having the choice.

I don't believe those who fought for women's rights did so in order to enable women, years down the line, to dictate what other women should and should not do in their name (nobody here does that, by the way). They did it for the right to choose their own paths, and so that we, years later, might choose ours. Whatever that path may be.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 08:30 AM



Two words say it all, where our thoughts are concerned about woman...and those two 'words are.

I Agree!




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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 09:06 PM
The whole issue has turned into a circus. What is interesting is the private sector is light years ahead of Congress in terms of their sexual harassment policy. All the acts are being mixed together as holding equal weight, which is not true. There is a big difference between sexual harassment, sexual assault and pedophilia. When Judge Roy Moore got in the mix with Hollywood and everything else he reframed his accusers as a set up by a covert action of the GOP establishment and the Democrats. There is no reason to believe that is a factual assessment. In my opinion the most viable option is a lie detector test even though I know polygraphs can be inaccurate and their findings sometimes not admissible in court. When someone is being considered to sit in the Senate to make and pass laws, they should be held to a much higher standard of behaviour.

The Republicans could easily produce an honourable solution to Roy Moore. The party there could ban him and instruct the voters to write in Strange or whoever they pick.

The slightest hesitation is an endorsement of child molestation and there's no turning back from the initial reaction. The continued support of the far-right Christian Evangelicals is most telling and not a good thing for their morality.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 10:34 PM << Modifed November 23 at 10:35PM >>
Dare one ask "what morality?"

The Anglican Church in this country just donated $1 million to the campaign to prevent same-sex marriage.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church, and to a (possibly) lesser extent, the Anglican Church, are still spending hundreds of millions to protect, cover up and defend pedophile priests.

And these people are "astounded" that anyone thinks they can be moral without buying their snake-oil.


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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 10:45 PM
Some Christians are fantastic people who really do abide by New Testament doctrine of kindness. But sadly too many among them gossip, lie, cheat and steal which is just about the easiest part of the religious teachings to adhere to. Hypocrites in the extreme.

To support pedophilia because they want to fill the supreme court with their own kind most certainly shouldn't engender any sense of security among the population. If these sanctimonious folks will lie about that, they will lie about anything.

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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 11:09 PM << Modifed November 23 at 11:19PM >>
That's the thing, Gloria.

Some people will say this belongs in the religious thread, others will just find it offensive. I don't particularly care, because I find pedophilia offensive. And I find the deliberate endorsement of people such as these to be a political issue, more than a religious one.

This is how I see it...

It's one thing if someone says they believe in a God - good luck to them. But fundamentalist evangelical Christianity doesn't stop there. Ask these people and they will tell you there is a mystical process they have undergone, and are undergoing, that is transforming their lives. It's not a matter of believing some doctrine or other, they want you to believe they are somehow "different" from you. And then they go out and rape children. They are different all right, but not in the way they would have us believe.

If the clergy and the televangelists were no less likely than your average Joe in the street to be a child or woman abuser, or just plain crook, that would cause serious doubt in the minds of most people. Unfortunately, the evidence is the situation is more dire than that - they are more likely to commit such vile acts than your average lay person - religious or not.

And when people who aren't themselves abusers of women and child molesters give their endorsement to such types for 30 pieces of ideological silver, it stinks.







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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 11:34 PM
I have to say, Craig, I find it shocking thatcgurches can make financial contributions to political campaigns.

In Canada churches do not pay taxes and are prohibited from making contributions. If you know their tax exempt--or not--situation, please advise. I find it makes me speechless.


Potentially, that makes every pulpit a podium for propaganda.




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RE: There is Sure to be Backlash
Reply on November 23, 2017 11:55 PM
Agreed and they act like a hate group that has made up a God that agrees with them and one that only they are privy to. They feel so close to their God they even feign to know what God wants, thinks and expects from them. They even confabulate that God is angry with those who are not of one mind with them. When they meet with resistance they become oppressive bullies, righteous and vociferous and they call it religion.

Then they create purely fictitious reasons to justify their abusive behaviour including raping children and abusing minorities and women as a good thing ordained by God. These perpetrators are afraid to stand alone and they hide in groups behind the ideologies of their church or religion to disguise their mob mentality. Let's call this out for what it is a hate group in favour of pedophilia.

It IS a political issue and it is utterly disgusting.


   
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