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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 2, 2017 04:48 PM << Modifed December 2 at 4:51PM >>
Mike Huckabee Rips 'Sports Illustrated' for giving Black NFL player Colin Kaepernick the Muhammad Ali Award for his work for social justice by taking a knee. Yet this same Southern Baptist Pastor, Governor Mike Huckabee, thinks it's the lord's good work rewarding a White man, Judge Roy Moore, facing allegations of child molestation with a seat in the US Senate. This reeks of hypocrisy at best!

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 2, 2017 09:50 PM << Modifed December 2 at 11:05PM >>
As a black woman, and a American born citizen, its not surprising what we will see here...To have any black man, woman or child, as a subordinate, is what would satisfy many Americans...If trump's comments that these black men had no reason to complain, because of their monetary value, says anything, it shows he doesn't respect the lives of these man and the resulting medical problems many eventually will have...and they deserve every penny they receive.

There is a hidden racism among us that people outside of these borders, will never understand, just as the lives and situations in other places, in the world, would be difficult for me to understand...never having spent any real amount of time in these places...its only what is read, or are told.

As long as black people were in subordinate roles, part of a society that proves no competition to the surrounding public, we were/are accepted.

Just as there are changes in the treatment and life experiences of woman here, so has the life experiences, educational interests and well being of blacks shown progress...and that continues.

Its not the color of my skin, that some dislike, its the fact that I, and others expect to be accepted, treated, and respected as Americans..and that's impossible for many...they see a person of diminished value, a slave, an uneducated person, and one that has been the recipients of their help...undeserving of course.

For any man/woman/or child to stand up for what they believe, is not acceptable for many...the very idea that we, as blacks, should dare make the same demands that white American do, is to say we are out of order...and although no one really knows what's on the mind of the sitting president here, I believe that's what he thinks.

History books only tell part of the story for us, the rest one would find in the many books, writings, and life stories of all those that have, in some way, made it.

So many of those that have never been within a foot of a black person...living here, learn about us from what they read and hear, from outside the communities that are filled with the remaining elements of African culture...

The life history of the Gullah people, is now being revived by the young...refusal to be ignored by those that literally stole their land, and properties of a generation of people that built it...There is a special celebration for these people in South Carolina...(Hilton Head Island)...I could go on and on referring to what has become an important part of what is going on today...the things that allow our children to realize that they do have a history other than what is written in the history books.

People don't like it when I speak to the black experience, the lives we live, the underlying racism that's become a part of American history, but there is an inner pride in who and what I am, that I don't expect people like trump, and his like, to understand that...I only wish every single black child would have the opportunity to visit the new National Museum of African Art in Washington D. C...they would never forget it...and would feel a sense of pride in what they see...

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 01:51 AM << Modifed December 3 at 2:01AM >>
It's so easy to demonstrate the proof of what you say, Victoria.

The current flap over the child molester, Judge Roy Moore is the perfect example.

The Evangelical Christians rally to his side in droves with support and the insane benefit of the doubt OR just plain not caring what he's done.

NOW, what if he happened to be black, Hispanic, female or anything other than an old white man?

We ALL know the answer to that question whether we wish to admit it or not.

There's your problem ... the lie, if you will, in a nutshell.


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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 02:16 AM << Modifed December 3 at 2:17AM >>
All excellent points Mrs. Major. Racism is booming and former Governor, and father of the White House Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee, Mike Huckabee's comments are a blatant example of it.

Darned straight if white women came forward with allegations of child molestation perpetrated by a Black, Hispanic, Mexican or Muslim man years ago these same good old far-right Christian white boys and their long-suffering women would be screaming from the rafters demanding a full investigation and possibly a lynching, particularly if he was a Liberal too. The hypocrisy is simply shocking.

My reaction would be exactly the same in all scenarios.

Take a polygraph Judge Moore and prove your innocence or withdraw gracefully from the race.


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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 06:03 AM
Mike makes an excellent point here.

What gets under many people's skin is not that those who claim to be the representatives of God on Earth choose to rape children.

Of course, that those who claim to speak on behalf of the Almighty should commit such atrocities is absurd in the extreme - even given the poor track record of their holy writings on the subject of respecting women and children. But what really makes the blood of most people boil is how these same institutions who put out press releases "condemning" child sexual abuse spend millions in covering up such incidents, and in paying for the most expensive lawyers to "defend" the perpetrators using every trick imaginable. So much for their genuine concern for the victims.

Case in point: within the last two days, Australia's most senior Archbishop (excluding now Cardinal George Pell, also appearing before the court on charges of covering up sexual abuse) has had his appearance before court charged with covering up child sexual abuses indefinitely postponed. Why? Because allegedly he is in poor health, and apart from having recently had a pacemaker inserted, is also said to be suffering from Alzheimer's disease. Poor man, one might think. Of course, his conditions don't appear to have affected him enough that he would consider stepping down from his duties as Archbishop of Adelaide. Funny that.

But don't forget to go to mass on Sunday, people. You might find yourself in hell.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 08:29 AM


If we were to take the religious aspect out of the conversation and speak to what is going on, toward those that have no caring about what is truth, (neither mine nor yours)to a president that has no concern for what he does and says, we'll find that attitude is reflected in those that are around him.

Where does all of that come from, is it him, or is it encouraged by his family, it seems to me that his children are well taught...they came into the white house with a well established feeling of superiority, that they have the right to do what is of benefit to themselves, and their lifestyle...and from the beginning it appeared that there intent was to use their father's position to that end...

That has nothing to do with God, not my God, not any decent person's God...or even to those that serve no God...but just like those that have never heard of religion, never saw or read a Bible, and yet are decent, we are going to find horrible, low life individuals...and moore is one of them..

I've said many times, that there are good and decent people in this world that are kind and loving...they go without the things so many of us have, yet have learned what community is, and rely of each other for the good of all.

In the same way, there are millions of people, I suppose, that will stand under the banner of Christianity, that in my humble opinion is not how I see it.

Because I cannot in good conscience judge any of that, I'd rather speak to the realism of man...sometimes people do good things, and sometimes they don't...moore did ugly things, I believe that, and there will always be those that would defend him, to the end...why? because they are part of his kind of community...that's how I see it...what man/woman would even think of standing by a man that has been accused of such things, he's a pedophile...and as decent people the very thought of such, is more than disgusting, it's down'right evil.

And so taking our the religious aspect of the conversation, I will say moore and people like him, are the lowest of the low...and I'm comfortable with saying that.
there are people that care about each other, and people that just plain don't.

If we look at person as just that, a person, we have to know that some of those in the public eye are filled with selfishness, are egotist, and will follow their mind in a lustful way...even a no-believer can see that.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 02:52 PM << Modifed December 3 at 3:02PM >>
Credit where credit is due, Mrs Major. You have made your distaste for such actions clear, and that is a good thing, and no less than we should expect from any decent individual.

However, in attempting to "take religion out of it", you are effectively denying the point of my post. It is not just the individuals who commit these vile acts who are to blame. It is the institutions - religious institutions - who give safe harbour to these people. These institutions cover up their crimes, and do their very best to convince courts the victims of their abuse are liars. They lie in order to protect pedophiles, and spend many millions of dollars of collection plate money in hiring the best lawyers to help them avoid facing the consequences of their actions. They shuffle the offenders from parish to parish, rather than report or banish them, in order to keep their dirty little secrets. These institutions, not individuals, perpetuate the abuse and enable these criminals. Not only that, but it is the institutions that lure and entrap children by telling them these are people they can - indeed must - trust with their lives. They tell them they'll be safe in their communities, and to be suspicious of the outside world.

It is no wonder people are abandoning these institutions in droves,



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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 02:56 PM
For those of us who have felt the bristles of prejudice and examined our own, I believe we are teaching our children to be color blind. With the lack of theological (deliberate choice of words--avoiding the term religion) all faiths, including Christianity, may not have a prejudice built on indoctrination. But, then there are two other segments influencing and fanning the flames of hated; those who believe in live and let live, and others who want to bring all of society to their knees at the altar of their own personal beliefs. They try to control, legislate and punish all those who might feel differently.

Surely, Isis, the tribe of extremism wants religious cleansing--eliminating anyone who does not subscribe to their brand of Islam. Muslims worldwide have stood up and loudly claimed these butchers do not represent the Allah they worship.

Really, how is that so different from the Evangelists who claim their God spits on the LBGQT community and would rather control the contents of a woman's womb rather than help feed the children who never asked to be born or welcome desperate refugees?

It's all hypocrisy. You bet!

There are BRIEF moment when I think Trump's lack of impulse control and spewing hatred may wind up being--in some sick way--good for the world. How many millions across the world marched on January 21st in the Women's Parade? The outrage was visible and heard. All the women (and young men) who are stepping forward to talk about sexual abuse were ignited by the courage to say enough already.

However, I think I'd like to return to political correctness, to a place when anyone who talked like Trump was considered an unenlightened ass. The assholes of the world seem to have been ignited but this poor excuse of a US leader. There's a social criminality to the hatred unleashed by one man. And yes, Trump still reminds me of the influence and charismatic nature of Hitler and how he changed the world.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 03:14 PM
It's biologically correct that each and every human starts life as an asshole. Along the way, most of us evolve from that state. A few don't, and some go on to become POTUS.

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RE: We Always Said Merry Christmas
Reply on December 3, 2017 03:48 PM
Craig, I suspect you or someone very close to you was molested. You write with the passion of someone who wears the scars, or at the very least have been forced to witness how a 'man of God; has abused his power and sent his victime directly to hell, even while they are walking and breathing.

   
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