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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 25, 2017 10:50 AM


I'd like to make a point on the statement of Jeffress...first it has to be understood that his words are only his interpretation, and not what these scriptures were speaking about as far as I'm concerned....you can now see why there should indeed be a separation between church and state...

Whose interpretation are we as Americans to hold as truth, that's the question...and its quite clear that if I disbelieve in his interpretation...so do probably millions of others...one's religious beliefs are personal, we are allowed to serve who we wish, even to the degree that the greater society does not approve, I'm a Jehovah Witness, and I am allowed to serve the God of creation as we believe it, and that's a good thing for me, and it assures that everyone has the right to be a religious person or not.

Government should have no right to assume we need governmental preferences to be the best that we can be...trump's idea of Christianity is clearly not what I have been taught, and I could also quote chapter and verse to defend my thoughts...and yet I shouldn't have to do that, and no one else should have to defend their right to freedom of religion, even an atheist has that right...

What this man has stated is not what those scriptures mean, to me, while he has the right to his interpretation I could fight vigorously to define what I believe the book of Romans, both chapters 12 and 13 really mean...and of course this man would probably curse me as an agent of satan.

While some of the principles of Christianity have certainly become a part of our society, I believe those principles are accepted on a individual basis, and most certainly, at least in my mind, not governmental...being a good and decent doesn't depend on your religion, it depends on who you are, as a person...so this man surely doesn't speak for me.

So now what, should I be considered an enemy of this country, please give me a break...I shouldn't and neither should the millions of people that follow what they believe...

Since this thread was named "A place Called heaven", it allows me to state with Biblical assurances, that this world in its entirety is no where near what some, and I say some, Christians would consider to be even remotely close to Heaven...

For me, there is no need to even consider what Jeffress says is meaningful, considering what I am seeing in the world today, and that's why I do not involve myself in politics.

Do I have opinions, and will I criticize what I feel isn't right?...surely I will do that, but my
thoughts and ideals are based on what I believe...and clearly not what this man has spouted..

Just Some Thoughts!








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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 25, 2017 02:43 PM
I could not have said it any better Victoria. I stand beside you in total agreement, absolutely and undeniably.

Also, Steven , great comment about Northern Ireland. A horrific conflict.

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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 25, 2017 05:18 PM


Jimi,

I'm not surprised that you would agree...why?...simple because I do agree with all you have ever posted, where the belief of a loving God is concerned...We are sisters in Christ!!

Perfect, never in this life, but a believer Yes indeed!


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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 12:05 AM << Modifed October 26 at 12:07AM >>
Pastor Jeffress was also used by the Russian fake troll Facebook account Heart of Texas during the election. The Russian troll sowed discord among the electorate peddling Islamophobia and pushing Texas to secede from the Union. If a pastor has convinced himself (if he really has) and subsequently is able to convince his congregation that Trump has been elected by God it gives the president free hand to do whatever he wants. Because how can mere mortals question God's judgment? It sets up a whole slew of ugly possibilities when fact-based reality is suspended. Like Mike has so eloquently stated many nationalities and religions have their own God they'd take and lay life down for.

In my view just as concerning is the fact that so many people hold different opinions of Trump. Do the Jeffress faithful see this as God's way of thinning the herd or separating the wheat from the chaff? Does it mean that people who see Trump as an incoherent bully and don't bow down and worship him are evil and to be dispatched by whatever means necessary according to the likes of people such as Pastor Jeffress? Does dehumanizing people make it easier to abuse and destroy them when those in power believe they are commanded to do so by God?

I can't see one good thing coming out of this. It would create a tin pot dictatorship which was the very tyranny the founding fathers fled colonial Britain to escape from.



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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 12:35 AM << Modifed October 26 at 2:36AM >>
These Trump supporters, fueled by Judeo-Christian, Steve Bannon have today demanded that the DACA/Dreamer children be deported. Either way, the president has set Paul Ryan up to take the fall. They are organizing armies to deliver primary defeats to any Republican who doesn't say, HELL NO to DACA amnesty or any amnesty for illegal aliens.

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to add: Breitbart News Exclusive--Jerry Falwell Backs Steve Bannon Effort to Oust 'Fake Republicans,' Calls for Evangelical Army to Rise Up to Defeat Them.

They say, Amen to all that! Our Lord Jesus Christ is King! Trump!

And soon, the King of Kings and Lords will come riding upon the clouds and every eye shall see (REV 1:5)

Never underestimate Bannon even if you don't agree with a single word he speaks.

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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 12:04 PM
Publishing fear , promoting hysteria orson welliyon s practice majgic you have been wrong consistently ....eagerly suggesting marginal support and that waning for the president elect Bull dogging anyone who admits support. Headshake....pathetic.....get ready to be wrong once more.....you?re witch Hillary?s about to be iexposed. Will you apologize then....?


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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 02:36 PM
I think a ball was dropped. Bernie Sanders should have been the Democrat candidate - yes, still a (probably) rich old white guy, but he would have been the maverick I think you might have been looking for. I think the opposition candidate chosen gave Trump the presidency on a plate. It seems quite a few voted for Trump simply because he wasn't Hillary.

I understand the lack of specific affiliation to the left or right, Jimi. I only really brought it up because we were talking about mavericks, and since it seems to me that you've never really had what I'd call a truly 'left' leader, as I understand the term, a maverick would surely be the one who took America down a path it has never really travelled. Another rich old white guy who also happens to be a big businessman really isn't going to do that.

Even Obama wasn't really that radical (though I think he might have liked to be, he just couldn't get anywhere). America is the ultimate embodiment of Capitalism. You've not elected the man who will change that, and I suspect America never will. You've always been a more right-leaning society, and, pretty much, it's worked for you.

I'm not wholly convinced that radical change was really what was wanted by those who elected Trump. I think what was actually wanted was a return to something very familiar. A return to a time when, despite the first amendment, the Christian god firmly and clearly resided within the white-house, other races were tolerated if they did all the mucky jobs, businesses could treat employees like slaves (if they weren't employing folk who actually WERE slaves), and nobody complained (because nobody would have cared if they had). Back in the good old days when it was all like the Waltons ... except it wasn't, was it, not for an awful lot of people.

How many people lived a lie, because a lie was easier in god-fearing America? 'Back then, we didn't have people wanting to be a different gender, or be with a member of the same sex. Women were happy to stay home and do the chores, men went out to work, kids did what they were told ...' Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Flip that around and ask, 'did those people who weren't happy with their assigned gender/accepted sexuality/traditional role ever have the chance to say so'? Or were the old white men just far better at keeping them quiet then? Did they really not exist just because certain people made sure we never heard their voices (usually by locking them up in asylums for the insane, a popular 'cure' for all those who thought differently).

If we're talking about who is happy to live under the new world order, maybe it's those folk who weren't welcome in the old world order. Those who suffered far greater abuse at the hands of the ruling ideologies of the time than the so-called 'truth-sayers' of today, because they weren't even given the chance to open their mouths.

And those people are looking about them today, and seeing how there's every possibility they will be shut back in the closet they've lived in for the last however many centuries, told to shut up and conform, or risk the very real possibility of being locked away.

Who do you want America to be great for? Everybody, or just the ones who pray to the same god as you, have the same sexual preference as you, are the same gender as you, speak the same language as you, are the same colour as you? Because the way it is looking just now, THAT'S who America will be great for. One specific group of people with one specific ideological bent. Heterosexual white Christian Males. Oh, you can BE black, or a woman, or gay, or transgender, or maybe all of those things, but you'll have to do it behind closed doors, tell nobody, and live your life like a good, white, god fearing, heterosexual, preferably male, but we'll tolerate women if you behave, and keep to the kitchen and bring up the kids.

Just like in the good old days.


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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 02:38 PM




You seem so anxious to prove something negative about her, she's a woman that has come a long way, in the political arena, doing more for people than trump ever will.

if there was any wrong doing with her, and it comes out....then she'll have to deal with it.

Just like your man trump will have to deal with what comes out about him...




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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 02:52 PM
Ahh, well, see, there you have it, Mrs Major. She's a WOMAN. Doesn't exactly fit with the status quo, does it? Traditionally, in the old world order, women weren't allowed to be in charge ... Like I said, a dropped ball. There'd have been more chance with a socialist than a woman, eh? The old world order of rich old white men have just managed to get rid of - the horror! - a black man in charge. You don't think there's any chance they'd let a WOMAN have a go, do you?

See, these folk that think the world has been taken over by 'Luciferians', simply don't like the fact that other people, who previously were lucky to get a vote, never mind a platform to stand on and a megaphone, have got a voice, now.


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RE: A Place Called Heaven
Reply on October 26, 2017 02:53 PM
Ha...aha.....what?s come out about Him is one of the reasons for your soon shame in blindilt supporting a corrupt politician .... the snare laid has caught the wicked up. ....just like God said

   
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