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nor84


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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 12, 2017 09:11 PM
Unfortunately, this has become a site where people go to show off their writing, good or bad, rather than to learn new skills or improve their craft. most of the prose writers I knew when I joined in 2006, and many that I've met sense, have left the site. Some of died but others are just gone.

RD and I are both recognized reviewers. Both have done some editing, which she's still doing. I no longer edit, but my point is people who know something about what they're doing are not appreciated when they give advice. I can work for half an hour on a story, write a critique, and be muted for my efforts. It's rare to get a thumb vote no matter how hard you work.

The site does not promote the efforts of its recognized reviewers, so my gold stars mean nothing to those I review. Consequently, I don't review much anymore. I'm getting along in years and prefer other things to wasting my time, being sloughed off with a thanks, or being insulted.

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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 12, 2017 10:25 PM

I respect the reviewers that have been named who give thoughtful & helpful reviews. I don't write much prose, so I have not encountered them much, if at all. To those mentioned & anyone who takes their time to give a REAL review, THANK YOU!




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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 14, 2017 08:56 PM
Thanks for your kind words, friends.

Indeed, FS has changed a lot but there are still a handful of old timers (and also new members joining) who value critique and any in-depth reviews that have substance...and there are still some active here who offer the same. It takes time to scope them out, and it is indeed discouraging that so many are leaving or have left.

However, I'd like to point out: just as it has changed in recent years, it can also change again in upcoming years. Fanstory will continue in whatever manner the members ascribe to. It would be nice to see the site admin recognize and promote good reviewing more aggressively...if only to at least, finally, to make a prominent tutorial available or even a reviewing class...after numerous requests to do so. I even offered to teach a reviewing class a year or so back, but Tom just said, "I'll keep that in mind." (Or something to that effect; but he never followed up on it).


I decided to leave FS some time back, but a handful of people offered to sponsor my membership fees for another two years, so I still visit periodically. When that expires, though, I will not renew...though I'll visit and review on occasion (especially some of you dear friends) as a standard member.





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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 15, 2017 03:09 AM

I'm not sure how the site views reviewing. At the start of 20116 I think it was Jay was given recognised reviewing status as well.

But this year, no one received this accolade, despite there being some fantastic reviewers out there, so I'm not sure what the criteria is or whether the site has decided to axe this feature.

Of the recognised reviewers, of which there are only really four, two I rarely ever see reviewing and the others only periodically so I'm not sure what the point of having them is. As Nor has pointed out she only reviews certain people which is a shame.




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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 15, 2017 10:55 AM
It does seem that some of the best reviewers are being passed by when it comes to being recognized. It can be disheartening when some-one spends a great deal of time reading, proofing, and sending a thorough review to a writer, only to get, at best "thanks for your review." Often they are lucky if they get that. Often they are attacked and muted. Far too many writers think the only thing they should receive are accolades for far too often, 'mediocre work.'

The reviewers spend time and energy trying to help, for what? No real recognition because those who are being helped fail to give them a thumbs. But far too many members are unaware of rewarding a reviewer.


G.man I have often been the recipient of a four star review from you, and you know what? you have always been spot on with your corrections, and they have helped me enormously I hope in the past I have remembered to give you a thumbs for them. There are other's whose reviews have been so helpful, Norma, Rama, and I fear too many who are no longer active on the site.

A problem I see though is, far too few members read the reviews forum. This topic has been discussed, hashed and re-hashed so many times, but nothing ever really comes of it. I know Rama, Norma and others have recommended to Tom that a reviewing tutorial be made available to all. A class in reviewing would also be helpful. So far it is still yet to be seen.

Perhaps now the time has come for changes to be made before more leave the site.



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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 15, 2017 11:29 AM
I think a few new people have won recently. Robyn, for example.

I usually get between 23 and 32 thumbs but still come in second place...so some people are certainly reviewing a lot.

Still, many of the people who used to regularly award thumbs seem to have forgotten about it--even though I still review their work.

On the other hand, there are also a handful of people who are gracious enough not only to award a thumb with kind words but also add more than one cent pump along with it. Such responses are encouraging. Hope is not lost, yet...




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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 15, 2017 02:37 PM
Sadly, thumbs are often handed out to friends just like six-star reviews.

I had a long time member ask me to look at she wanted to enter in a contest and give her a critique to shape it up. Did I get a thumb? Nope.


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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 15, 2017 09:32 PM
Yes, that's happened to me a few times as well.


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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 16, 2017 03:07 AM

There is nothing more frustrating than spending an age on a thorough and detailed review and then either receiving no reply, an abusive one, or a simple 'Thanks'.

It doesn't need to be a nomination but some degree of acknowledgement in reply would be nice...

It is funny how when people ask you to review their work, they don't always seem to appreciate it...

I once got 49 nominations in one month and didn't win. Conversely, I have received about 19 and won, so you just never know.



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RE: New Year... same old s***
Reply on May 16, 2017 08:34 AM
Yes, the number of thumbs required to win varies from month to month and depends entirely on how much reviewing the other competent reviewers are doing. This award is about both quality and quantity. I expect that in certain months (like during vacation and holiday times) one might win with fewer than 20 votes. I once one with 17, I think. I am fairly certain that one needs at least 10 to be considered. I've lost with over 40 before as well...so it's really hard to predict.

I had to win the ROM multiple times before qualifying for Recognized reviewer. The first time I won, the reviewing committee gave me tons of professional feedback that prompted me to learn the art of reviewing with more passionate attention. I listened, learned and practiced. They had stringent requirements and a high-bar standard of a professional level.



   
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