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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on October 31, 2017 06:53 PM
Michael, of course a quick Google search is going to give you a plethora of those kinds of "ways to discern the world", for those who wish to not discern the world. I have heard Mr. Halbig speak many times,and I can assure you that he isn't anything like what your little article describes. Have you ,yourself even heard him Speak on this?
It's just a coincidence that the reporters name is "shill"' I'm sure.


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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on October 31, 2017 07:07 PM
Yes, I've heard him speak. He's everything depicted in this article. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. Anyone can say anything they want, it doesn't make it so. Anyone can present so-called evidence, it doesn't make it evidence. There is a reason they are called conspiracy THEORIES. I DO listen to what Jones has to say. I did watch this guys videos. Then I studied the other information available from all other sources such as the police, government and various media outlets. I listened to the accounts of witnesses. I determined that Jones and this character were in La La land and EVERYONE else was speaking the truth.

Of course, EVERYONE could be involved in a massive conspiracy with a cast of thousands and these two could be right. Crazy me, I don't think so.

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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on October 31, 2017 07:31 PM
O. M. G.

I found the "sink hole" garbage was all I could take of this lunatic's "Sandy Hook conspiracy", so I switched over to reading about the "electronic quadro tracker" fiasco.

How is anything supposed to get achieved when so many normal, sensible people have to waste so much time addressing the insane antics of the mentally deranged?

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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on October 31, 2017 11:52 PM


So true!


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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on November 1, 2017 12:32 AM
Laws are only tools utilized in an attempt to achieve justice. THAT is why we have a judicial system and why we continuously address "the law" to make sure it is fair and just. It isn't enough to blindly follow a rule, the rule must be scrutinized constantly.

We once were a country where slavery was the law of the land and women couldn't vote.

Do we want to be a land where the innocent are banished from our country having committed no crime? Not the law, but what is just and fair.

"... and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea".







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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on November 1, 2017 04:24 AM
Since the start of this thread, Louis Theroux has been on telly again. You may remember him from another thread where I mentioned a documentary about 'Heroin Town'.

This latest one was about Milwaukee, and the horrific level of gun crime there. I watched, open-mouthed, as Louis travelled about with the cops, who seemed to be, basically, just hovering up the bodies. What shocked me was the interviews in people's homes, where the folk showed him their weapons collection. One woman had a gun in every room. But then, sitting out on her porch, with her family, the rat-tat-tat of gunfire was heard. Everyone was shoo-ed indoors, while she told Louis it was a daily occurrence.

Of course, the documentary touched the lost family values, the poverty, the poor education in the area. Also the gun laws, relaxed still further there only recently. Guns ranged from pistols to semi-automatics, not of which were illegal.

Whilst I agree that the root causes for all the killings must be looked at, at the end of the day, there are areas in my country which have the same levels of poverty, single-parent families and all the rest of it. But nowhere like the same level of deaths. What do you think the reason might be?

Yes, we do need to look at the root causes. But in the mean time, we have to work in the world we are living in NOW, not the one we want, or think we used to have. People are dying NOW, and, whilst a long term strategy is needed, that's not going to help those folk in the short term.

Handing people a legal licence to kill in problem areas is like lighting a match in a firework factory. One can't help wondering if the idea of further relaxation of gun laws in such areas might be some sort of social cleansing effort. After all, if they are all killing each other with the guns their government has graciously allowed them to have, they won't need to waste precious public money rejuvenating the area, and addressing the problems therein.

As somebody else has already pointed out, MSM most certainly revealed that ISIS coughed for the recent shooting. MY experience of MSM is that if they could pin this on a Muslim, they absolutely would. 'Terrorism' is the first suspicion. Of course ISIS said it was them. Spreading fear without having to do anything is part of their Modus operandi. The IRA used to do that sort of thing as well. If you're going to be accused anyway, and the accusations get your organisation attention, what're you going to do?

Personally, I'd believe the conspiracies a bit more if the government HAD pinned it on ISIS. Makes more sense. Or, at least, an immigrant. These are the folks you don't want, yes? Your current administration doesn't want to remove your guns. They want you to fear the alien invader, yes? So what's in it for them?

Creating general fear? Your nation already lives in the kind of fear those of us with proper gun legislation don't really understand. You don't NEED mass shooting incidents to keep you in fear, the huge presence of legal weaponry does that.

I can't imagine being so frightened I need to keep a gun in every room in the house. And that isn't reports of mass shooting that's done that. That's the kind of casual drive-by stuff that doesn't even make the news over with you, but would be on the front page elsewhere.

Lobbyists for stricter gun laws don't need a big example. They just need to spend a few days filming in Milwaukee.

Or we could just let people going on killing each other, with the government's blessing.


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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on November 1, 2017 09:15 AM << Modifed November 1 at 11:13AM >>
Sarkems,

I don't think a comparison between your country and the United States can really tell a story...Louis Theroux as a film maker is surely looking to show the lowest of the low, those that are truly living a hard life...I don't know much about your country only what you have posted, but his documentary speaks to a segment of this country that proves a very negative picture...and one that is not multiplied by many.

The world you live in is surely different than what you might see here, the life of a poor person in your country might not have the same problems as one does here...and yes we do need to look at root causes, but those root causes are an inherent part of the society of the United Sates, and as such what you say is nothing more than folly, and will never happen here.

Milwaukee is not the only city of that kind, we have Detroit, Chicago, and others that we find the kind of distress I doubt people in your country will ever have, and while his documentary speaks to horror of life there, by the people he interviewed, it is not the full story...and it would take more than a few words here, to dig deeper into the whys.

How many people are there in your country, there are more than 230 millions more here, and so to compare your small country is like comparing a place to another place that couldn't possibly be seeing the same kind of life.

One thing that so many people don't seem to understand, is that so much of the killing, violence and death, is not caused by legal weapons, but by those acquired illegally.

They are stolen, bought from gun runners, and places that do not require equivalent laws, and rules in order to aquire these weapons..." social cleansing"...hummm an interesting thought...and one I find offensive...but you are certainly not alone with that thought.

One would have to dig a lot deeper than what this documentary shows...people are killing each other, not with guns they go to the corner store and purchase but with the millions of guns through-out this country that illegally get into the hands of the wrong people, and by wrong people, I mean those that do have violence in mind.

More could be done, in Milwaukee, Chicago, and even Detroit, but what you call "root causes"...cannot be overlooked, even NOW! its easy to say they should, but what is happening now, with the poor, and with the black poor, is part of the past that is so entrenched in the now...people have become used to it, ignore it, film it, talk about it, but do very little.

I don't know exactly how long this man spent filming, what areas he spent time in, but the problems are much more involved than any few hours of filming could show.

You say in part, "they won't need to waste precious public money rejuvenating the area and addressing the problems therein".

Spending to define, and give aid to the needs, of a people, such as the availability of decent jobs, better schools, the training of people to allow them to enter the area of employment that may be available, and health care, isn't a waste of the "precious public money"...it should be what is due to every American, not only those that are lucky enough to be doing well, but to everyone...that's not the case, and it takes people, not only ideas to make changes...because if it were things would be a lot better for those most in need.

In this latest killing of 8 people here in New York, with 11 (at last count) injured, it was done by a man that proved his intent by the words he shouted when finally taken into custody...he was a terrorist!

Sadly not every mass killing is ISIS inspired, the killing of the 9 (?) people that were killed in their church, while praying, was done by a single white man that was a white supremacist by his own words stating he hated blacks...and there are perhaps millions that feel the same...one of the latest murderer was a man angry about being fired from his job...so not every crazed person is a Muslim, some are ordinary black or white dangerous and violent people...fear is fear no matter how it shows up, or by whom...and by the way, not all immigrants are murderers, or violent people, there are groups of violent white supremacist that get little attention but are there.

You just don't hear about them, they are not to be considered by some as terrorist, however in my mind they are.

I do not have a problem with people that have guns for hunting, even for collecting, its those that want a gun for their supposed protection, or because the constitution says they have the right to own one...perhaps some would like the good old days to return, when it was fine for a man to walk the streets with his gun on his hip, like one would see in the movies...but beyond them there is the NRA a very influential lobbyist group...giving millions of dollars to those running for office, that's how they keep their place, as the one organization that must agree to any rules that may require fewer guns to be sold.

This is a country of immigrants, and i don't think most Americans are against immigration, when those wanting to come here, wait their turn, and enter with the ideas of becoming a part of the country...even though they may serve a different God, than I do.

Not every doctor I visit is American born...they are Indian, and one is from Poland...should not these people be welcomes and respected, why shouldn't the man that comes from one of the Caribbean Islands be welcomed, or someone from any country that is willing to abide by this countries laws...this administration and those in agreement with their efforts to keep people out of this country do not speak for all Americans...nor do they speak for those of us, that realize that not every Muslim is terrorist, or that every white person is a white supremacist..although Richard Spencer's rantings and large scale meeting show that there are thousands that are.

Yes indeed trump and those that adore him, would like all of us to fear even the idea of a Muslim being an accepted part of our society..I happen to believe not all Americans fear the Muslims.simply because not all Muslims are terrorists, my butcher certainly isn't.

There is a kind of fear in this country, that can be found among black people that is not shared by others, there are efforts being put in place that can take away their rights to equal governmental representation, (gerrymandering)...the right to receive adequate medical attention, (health Insurance)...there is a fear that will be changed by this administration...fear there will not be the jobs needed, in places like Milwaukee,, Chicago, and Detroit, what some don't seem to want to believe is that not evert black person is a criminal, ignorant violent person, that wants to live the life of crime, there are many whites, that are criminals and violent people as well.

I repeat, it is not the legal weaponry that is causing the high degree of violence, its those that get their guns illegally that cause the horror of gun violence.

I doubt the vast majority of Americans live with a gun in every room, I certainly don't, in fact as I stated before, I will not have a gun in my house...but my daughter's job requires her to own a weapon give to her...however she places it in a locked box as she enters the house..

What this film shows is the lack of needed protection, that should be supplied by law enforcement, and whatever city/state/federal agencies that may be needed....You see to help these people, and so many others, is not a waste of "precious government money"..its their duty...we are ALL Americans, not just some of us...I pay taxes, so does my daughter, sisters, sons, grandchildren, and more...I have no choice where that money goes, but I'm sure that if less of our money was sent overseas,(but that's for another discussion) more of that "precious money" could be spent where its needed...right here whether in Milwaukee, Chicago. Detroit, or West Virginia, where there's a great need for help with the drug problems or even here on Long Island where it is serious...and elsewhere...

Americans just don't give a damn about those people in Milwaukee, if they did, things wouldn't be as they are ...neither would Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson, or even some smaller cities, in Florida...maybe this man should pick not only these kind of cities, to show the differences in lifestyles of the people in this country...but to show the contrary version....and discuss why!

I didn't edit this, though I should have, so I hope you can understand what i have posted..

Just Some Thoughts!


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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on November 1, 2017 11:41 AM
Hi Mrs M.

Louis has been making documentaries for many years, and has shown many of the rich facets of America that are good and true in that time. He's also shown some pretty foul sides of my own country.

I used the documentary to highlight something which I see as an issue, not because it spoke of everything, but because it spoke of something. A problem that exists, which shouldn't exist, and is made worse by easy access to weaponry. Not enough IS being done, I absolutely agree, to sort out the root causes. Believe me, the idea of social cleansing is utterly abhorrent to me, but allowing citizens such easy access to weaponry in deprived areas whilst doing zilch about the deprivation doesn't look that great. And, remember, I said all the guns shown in the documentary were legal. And none of them were cited as being used for hunting.

The problems do need addressing now, but resolving them will not be a quick fix. I'm suggesting that not enabling such people to be armed to the teeth so easily in the meantime while the root causes get the attention they so urgently need might help reduce the number of deaths.

I'm not saying this area shown on the documentary is representative of the whole, or even most of America. But when people like DJ and Recon are chucking conspiracy theories around like sweeties, I wonder why they cannot see that simply chucking weapons at people and leaving them to get on with it isn't a great idea, and smacks to me far more of the 'conspiracy' of social cleansing.

You are so right, Mrs M, when you say people don't care enough. That's part of the problem. People living in poverty with low opportunities like this must feel abandoned. And there's plenty of places like that in my own country, believe me. It's just very fortunate that they don't have access to military-grade weaponry to make it ten times worse.

That's the difference. We still aren't doing enough to help them, by a long shot, but at least we aren't making it easier for them to kill each other.


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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on November 1, 2017 12:23 PM
Hey, a quick question Sark. Were these guns held by all of these people in the doc. Were they "legally"attained by law followers? , I didn't see it in your post. I might be so enticed to accept a disarming of people who don't follow gun laws. But of course that could be the top of a slippery slope, but maybe ....




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RE: Help end this brutal dictatorship
Reply on November 1, 2017 12:29 PM
Perhaps you believe the world that we live in is as good as it gets. Or, perhaps you believe that things could be better, that perhaps we are being lied to. Rather than just rejecting this term "conspiracy theorist" that was invented back in the 60's to deal with the Kennedy assassination, I and many others who believe they are being lied to, and that there could be a better world, than this, have decided to embrace the term to usurp it's power.

G,. you say you don't want to look into the conspiracies of some "greedy conspiracy theorist" .
Exactly what kind of conspiracy theorist might you believe Gloria, or is our world perfect and EXACTLY what it seems? (Being that you brought up Mr. Jones,** ) You don't want to believe or even listen to one that has built up so much credibility as a news source amongst people, that he is able to support himself comfortably. ( You said his net worth is six million. Good for him. I am quite certain that he uses his income quite efficiently and actually puts much of his earnings right back into his operation. He would have to ,to have grown like he did. I know this is an idea that is anathema to any other company that has as it's only belief to make money and serve themselves, rather than mankind. I am willing to bet that any other "conspiracy theorist" that wants to share his news and views of this world that is so devoted as to want to spend all of his time sharing truth and only wants to draw a small salary, will also be derided from the likes of you. If not being supported from the likes of WHAT Gloria? the drug companies, big Corporations , tax free foundations?
Or perhaps a conspiracy theorist that doesn't make any money at all, from it, and just wants to share their perception of truth. One like me.
Or perhaps you just comfortably believe the conspiracy theorists of "conspiracy theory" . You know the ones who get paid by the big foundations by big pharma, by big oil , big government, tax free foundations and big, God only knows what else ( a Soros funded Snopes, for example) . The ones in industry that can manipulate news and Google searches and put the conspiracy theories at the bottom of a Google like search and put the "conspiracy theorist" conspiracy theory at the top of search results. Those are the ones you like to trust. The ones that get their support from the ONE who comes up with "official stories" and brings us fake real news or real fake news, take your pick. You know, the ONE that whispers in your ear saying things like :
" You know those crazy conspiracy theorists that say bad things about me and say that I am conspiring against you,, you know that they really are conspiring against YOU and trying to steal your human joy, because I don't even exist."

Even if some "conspiracy" , or element of it, that
I, or others believe, turns out not to be completely right, I am quite confident that in this world, where the prince of this world , "Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." ; that conspiracy is much closer to the real truth than, not believing any conspiracies at all, as the Luciferian owned powers whisper into your ear, and want you to believe.




** Here's a weird, and maybe hard to believe idea, that may stir y'all up. Not that we should put our trust in ANY human, but as I have said before , just because something is weird, doesn't make it not true. And I am sure it may piss you off. It is what it is. But I submit the idea that a Mr. Alex Jones, just might be the most beloved living human being ( outside of Jesus lol), at least in the Western world. Who would even come close? A movie star? A pop star? A politician? Oh, please!The Queen of England? ( I'd be willing to bet AJ is more loved than her " majesty" in England. Sark, I'd be interested in your view on this) . The Pope? , especially THIS Pope. Hmmmmmm maybe???
But maybe, the zombie's might offer up one of theirs. Idk.
Does this mean that I believe everything AJ believes , or says as "gospel" ? Hell no! He is just a human trying to figure things out, as all of us are.( Again, there's only ONE Gospel giver to put your trust in).

But, he is a very enlightening and entertaining, more middle of the road , more secular "conspiracy theorists" ( again, embracing the term, takes away its deceptive power) . He daily says some very profound, beautiful and quite poetic things on the nature of Humanity and good and evil. There are other ""conspiracy theorists" out there that have world views much more aligned with my own, but on a whole, I think Mr. Jones is so beloved worldwide because he comes across as real and genuine, and he is definitely pointing humanity in a much more positive direction than the coming out of the closet, pedo New World Order, or Knew Whirled hordeurvers.

In the land of lies
The man who exposes the truth
Is the lunatic

Or as Jesus put it;
"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, 'A slave is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also.
John 15:18‭-‬23 NASB

Here's another great and quite interesting story from another one of my favorite conspiracy theorists:

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/30/the-us-gov-agrees-to-a-un-military-takeover-in-the-event-of-civil-unrest-on-american-soil/


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