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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 12:18 PM
Yes, sorry Craig, I went off on a bit of a tangent. I, too, enjoy the debates and discussions with all of you, but the whole debate in general gets to be a bit repetitive at times. I think to myself, 'I'm sure I've said this'. But I do find other people's thoughts fascinating, even if sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

Recon, the thing is, I'm as happy with my worms, and enjoying having a bit of curiosity about where I came from as you are with your knowing the answer to life, the universe and everything (and I thought it was 42) and dreams of a life beyond. I appreciate it is incomprehensible to you that I should be so, but I am.


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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 04:35 PM
ah the summer of 42...yes yes i remember it well. raging hormones, bottles of coke for a nickle, voice of America begins broadcasting...and her....ewwww man I mean. Oooooo those were the daaaaaays.

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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 05:38 PM


Recon,

I am also so very happy that I know who our loving Father is, what He wants for us, what He has given us and what He promises us...Almighty God Jehovah is the creator of All things...I have no problem believing that, I know of no man that can do any of that...I am but a dot in His world, just one of those that feel His presence, not sometimes, but All the time...I question not one word of His teachings, but just as others are contented with their way of life, I am pleased with mine...For every negative there is a positive, and I sought those positives, and found them

The book of Revelations has been a favorite of mine for a while now, but it took time and study of the Old Testament to come to MY understanding of what it means...Yes there will be better times, when satan is thrown into the abyss for the the period of one thousand years...I believe in the tribulation, resurrection, armageddon, and then what the Bible calls paradise...its all right there in scripture...and I believe every word of it...

Just Some Thoughts!

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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 05:49 PM
Hey, that looks like a fun game, Michael. Can anybody play? Let me give it a go...

Man A, unable to accept his own mortality, despairs of the fact that the universe managed quite happily to exist for billions of years without him, and will do so again once he shuffles from this mortal coil. He cannot accept that his fate is the same as every other living creature on the planet - through death to become part of the cycle of life - "worm food" if you want to put it that way. So he concocts a scenario in which he gets to be around for ever and ever, with not a hint of boredom.

Man B, considering his approaching demise, echoes the famous words of Mel Blanc... "That's all, folks."

Man A looks at a snowflake and sees the great and majestic being which fashioned this intricate marvel, who guides and directs every single action that ever takes place in the universe, who commands the angelic host, waging battle against Satan and his legions of devils and demons. Who, when he is not busy smashing babies to pieces, or giving them malaria, is occupied making rainbows in the sky for us to marvel at his greatness.

Man B looks at a snowflake and sees... a snowflake.

Yes, lots of food for thought there.

Your post made me wonder about something that's never crossed my mind before. Why do you think it is, that of all the places to put it, the powers that be decided to inscribe the stirring motto "In God We Trust" on your money? I can understand it being carved in stone on various monuments scattered around the country. I can even picture it as a sign on the wall in, for example, hospitals. But on your money? Come to think of it, it probably couldn't be more appropriate. Lump all the truly important things together in one place.

Good chat, Michael.


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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 07:57 PM
thats exactly right... CD...
there are at this very moment blue and red flashing lights and siren sounds...indicating BINGO! just got paid. you won...your man Alfred is a frightful bore without the imagination to see himself through the witness of others, as unique, marvels of wonder made in purposed attire not accidental awesome, nor even entertaining a desire to care one way or the other. after all bugs bunnies on.....-smile-

Mamma Major....its not us, their not right in the head. all we can do is love them well...when folk consider our cause a big explosion equal in weight with living water...well they need help. thats us Mamma...-smile-

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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 09:12 PM

I guess you're right, recon, God has told us to love everyone, no matter what, so that's what we have to do!

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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 09:26 PM
How positively sweet. Where's the bucket?

For people who constantly carry on about how full of pride everyone else is, there's sure a lot of conceit, condescension and arrogance in those last couple of posts.

Well, don't worry. I'm sure your imaginary friend won't hold it against you :)


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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 21, 2017 09:30 PM
DJ seeing as how you have proof the Obama's murdered Joan Rivers and the Clintons may also have committed many murders, my best suggestion to you is to get that evidence to the CIA post haste. I wouldn't be keeping that kind of evidence away from the authorities!! Murder One is Capital Offence with a maximum punishment, the death penalty. Not giving evidence might be considered a cover up, or worse aiding and abetting in a crime.


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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 23, 2017 06:30 PM
I'm sorry that I am so slow to respond. There is a lot here on this thread. It is because of my need to compartmentalize, or take in a little bit at a time ,combined with my propensity to not be able to hold my tongue. I admit this is only in response to the first two responses after my last one. One of Craig's, and one of Emma's are all that I have read So far. So if I repeat some point somebody already made, please forgive me ( and I will add that it would be a glorious thing. Lol)

Rather than continuing to argue with the likes of you two, Clraig and Emma, as you both probably agree, this arguing will never really change any of our minds on the existence of God.

I could say MUCH on Emma's rant on sci Fi, the X files and it's inspiration and such , but instead I will just add that just because what you eloquently said so well has a mostly true ring of truth to it, doesn't necessarily mean that what I say in this regard can't be true, or also have a very real ring of truth to it as well.

CD, your statement
"No sane person walking the Earth has ever seen or heard God. They have never seen angels or demons...."

To that I will say, that for me personally, I HAVE experience enough of these "supernatural" things during my lifetime to convince me that there is definitely a LOT more that goes on in this life than meets the eye. I think you guys are both old enough and been around the block enough, to more than likely, be able to say the same. This is why I am led to believe that REALLY instead of arguing with ME on this, you are both really arguing with your own "lieing eyes". But you can both just deny this because I am "insane" in your eyes.


Emma, I have come to appreciate your assertion that what the Bible is, is a creation of humanity as it is being shaped through time...Or something along these lines. For reasons I will get into, this is probably MORE True than any of us will ever even reallize. But, we also fail to realize the level of the intimacy that God has IN and THROUGH our lives...So much so, that we also fail to recognize God's very intimate hand in crafting the Bible.

This, is in fact what I am being lead to realize... the very reason for the failure of modern Evangelical Christianity. Its failure oftentimes, to grasp it, understand it and then certainly it's failure to share or convey this idea with the likes of more skeptical people such as yourselves about the TRUE loving and intimate nature of God.

Through the work of NT Wright, and guidance from the Holy Spirit, I am coming to learn that God is SO intimately involved with every aspect of our life, down to each and every breath, as the Bible asserts. We just become so accustomed to it, that we fail to recognize it, let alone even try.

I am quite convinced that this intimacy level is such that when we die, when the veil is lifted, it will be much akin to the lights suddenly coming on, in the dark room we were stuck in. Where we had been stumbling around in that dark room , feeling our way around with our bodies. Perhaps catching little tiny glimpses of SOMETHING when we are fortunate enough to have a tiny sliver of light cast the tiniest bit of illumination onto it. But, when this light comes on, there sits that intimate God ( on His throne, if that is what you wish to think) , but there He is. We will be suddenly and gloriously struck with the thought : "Oh my God, that was YOU that I was running my hands up and down and all over, failing to really understand what it was, and at other times, even comfortably caressing! Oh, my God"!". How is that for intimate? ( Wow, I think there is a glorious poem lurking around in there lol)

If you haven't noticed it yet, I love the word "glorious". Probably because God's Word tells us that we are created for His glory. I know, how Glorious!

This awakening to the intimacy of God's way of revealing Himself to us, might include our often dismissed things such as our instincts, our premonitions, our 6th sense, seeming coincidence, things and ideas that just pop into our heads...On and on.
I know that the likes of a post enlightenment, materialistic skeptic who relies mostly upon the side of the brain that deals strictly with logic and reason will say that this is all rubbish and a step backwards in this creation. But is it? Just because science and reason lead you into believing in a strictly materialistic worldview, doesn't REALLY mean that THAT is the direction, or even the purpose FOR the Creation. No matter how many PHDs are saying it. (What is the old saying? Piled Higher and Deeper. Or, I like this quote:

"Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously."
G.K. Chesterton
( I saw that quote hanging on the office wall of one of my daughter's College professors. How Glorious is that?)

Craig, I want to thank you for your most glorious 100 recipe analogy. ( Which I will go into) Who says the Lord isn't working through you guys?

I was most surprised by this line,

"Furthermore, if I handed my book ( recipe book) to 100 people who were capable of reading and following simple instructions, they would all 100 of them end up with the same result."

And you accuse ME of thinking too simply lol.
I was fully expecting you, because of human involvement, to say that there would in fact be 100 different results. All of these dishes certainly can be called "X" dish ( insert recipe), but I do find it confusing that you can't, or won't see that in the same way that 100 creative, human photographers taking 100 pictures of the same thing would have 100 very different pictures. ( Given the idea that they are each imbued with the gift of putting their own "spin"or interpretation , or human interaction.... known maybe as human living onto their resultant photo. ).

You have to admit that in your "simple" cooking of a dish analogy, that there is much variation in such things as ingredient quality and texture, , cooking techniques... The sifting, stirring, whipping , zesting, slicing, beating, pinching etc., And even variation in measuring, and how a human interprets instructions and even instructions on measuring, and variations in utensils used. Not to mention variations in heat/burner levels and even oven quality...On and on it goes. I submit that these 100 dishes, though called the same thing are ALL different from each other to varying degrees. Both in taste and texture as well as in appearance.


It would almost be as if to REALLY get the exactly intended dish, you would need the ACTUAL CREATOR of the dish to personally and intimately go over with you and demonstrate personally and intimately every single step of the process along the way. if one truly wanted to authentically reproduce the most perfect rendition of the original chefs creation. Surely you see where I am going here , and surely you must admit that preparing a Human to reflect His Glory, is much more important than preparing food. ( No zombie talk intended here)

This not embracing the subtleties of Humanity... this following of a cookbook way of practicing our faith...
This cooking up of a dish called Christianity without the intimate human guidance of THE Creator Chef,...
This all seems to tie in nicely with Wright's assertion that much of the church's problems stem from a lack of truly understanding the Gospels, or the "Good News" and the actual life of Jesus . I will go on to add that it comes from our not truly understanding the very human aspect of Jesus . The way that he was able to say, and know and even do the incredible things that he did and said. He, obviously, to me NOW anyways, was very "in tune" with the intimacy of God WITH Him here on earth. Perhaps THIS "in tuneness" is what the church needs to focus upon now. Wright points out that even the Church's Creeds, for instance, the apostles creed skips over the Human part of Jesus :

"Do you believe in God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth? Do you believe in Jesus Christ, His only son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell."


Or this part of the Nicene Creed

...For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:
He was conceived by the
power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge
the living and the dead he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

Both of these Creeds skip right over the middle, and biggest parts of the Gospels. The Human life of Jesus.

Not at all to say that this part of Christian Doctrine is off. Wright's point, that I am coming more and more to agree with , is that the REAL Christian story is only HALF being told.

Of course,probably an intimate part of this would include the work of the Holy Spirit. Jesus even called the Holy Spirit the "helper". Maybe He could have called it the "intimate Chef". It is also said that this living Spirit of Jesus is living in our hearts, which is in fact the new temple. This IS the Good News. I hope and pray that the. Lord gives me more time and wisdom to suss out further this seemingly subtle, yet glorious point.
Blessings!



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RE: Eclipses
Reply on September 23, 2017 07:52 PM
Dj,

I have to agree with the idea that some here, and also elsewhere, will never believe in the existence of a living God...and that's fine, but I cannot replace the reality of a spiritually alive and loving God, for something scientist, philosophers or the intellectual community chooses to believe.

"No sane person walking the earth has ever seen or heard God, they have never seen angels or demons".

For me, I have heard His voice, and seen Him through the words of the Bible, and also through the actions and words of those that believe in Him, however, I am not at all qualified enough, nor do I choose to to make such a blanket statement on the lives and beliefs of anyone other than myself..not all mankind will ever begin to feel the intimacy that come from the love and closeness one feels for God, without the Holy Spirit's intervention.

The man with a PHD, MD, and all the fellows that can be received byany man, will never match the omnipotence of Almighty God Jehovah, and yes because we have free will, He will allow each of us to believe as we wish.

I don't concern myself with wondering what man does or will do, realizing that man's reign is only temporary, and Jehovah is forever.

I know that some of my comments are often repeated, as are those that continue to point out the nonexistence of God...

I chose to continue to do so, as long as I wish

"Further if I handed my book (recipe book ) to 100 people who were capable of reading and following simply instructions they would all 100 of them end up with the same results..

I need not comment on that statement as Dj, gave such a clear response, I just can't add anything more...

I Pray the Holy Spirit, (God's active force also called the comforter) will forever remain in my heart, and allow me to continue to witness the existence of Him, and His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ.

Just Some Thoughts!





   
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