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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 04:54 AM
Gloria,

"Bats in the belfry" is an expression I hadn't heard in many years, but I know what it means. We have a number of expressions here which mean the same thing. Some of them are probably common universally, others maybe not. For example:

Not the sharpest tool in the shed

A brick short of a load

A sandwich short of a picnic

Has all his solar panels on the south side

(I guess the last one wouldn't make sense to northern hemisphere readers, they'd have to change it to north)

and my personal favourite:

there's a kangaroo loose in the top paddock.

Whilst I might think some of the above apply to certain people here, I'd never be crass enough to say it ;-)


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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 05:03 AM
There's not really such a thing as a 'man made chemical' when you think about it. Every laboratory produced chemical is created using existing matter. Chemicals that are naturally found. It's the combinations which create new chemicals, which could be considered 'man-made'.

The average medicines you'll find in people's bathroom cabinets have been extracted from the natural world. It's the concentrations which affect the effect, as it were.

Now, I'm not a big drinker of Coca-Cola, I have to admit. But I got a bit fed up with seeing, on my facebook feed, 'Don't drink coke, you can clean toilets with it'. Yes, you can. But you can also clean toilets with lemon juice. In fact, pure lemon juice is more damaging to your teeth, when drunk in high quantities, than cola. It strips the enamel. A friend of mine discovered this after a few weeks of drinking only lemon juice diluted with water. Her dentist asked her what she had been doing to her teeth! She was shocked, she thought she was doing something healthy. I'm still not going to advocate drinking cola over lemon juice, but, as my mother once said, everything in moderation.

The point is, there's plenty of 'natural' stuff our bodies can't deal with in high concentrations either. It simply isn't true to say we are able to cope with natural chemicals but not so called man-made ones. In fact, the reason many drugs exist in the form they do today is because in their natural state, our bodies couldn't handle them, yet modifying them enables us to make use of the good stuff.

But there's still this prevailing attitude that a concoction produced in a lab is automatically 'worse' for us. I've been trying to find something to help calm the manic frizz that is my hair. One of the 'natural' suggestions is Apple Cider Vinegar. And it does work. I've tried it. But research beyond the all-natural tubthumping reveals that, over time, the vinegar would, in fact, dissolve my hair (not surprising, given that I also use it to remove limescale off my taps). It's OK to use occasionally, but the same properties which smooth my cuticles, and leave my hair feeling oh so clean will eventually break it down.

This is one of the reasons man started meddling with nature in the first place. To make it more suitable for daily use. Look at the much-touted health benefits of cannabis, for example. In order to use it for medicinal benefit without permanently having the munchies, etc, the plant needs to be modified, to extract the bit that makes you high, to enable you to take enough to get the benefit without the (as some might say) negative effect.

Nature is, in fact, full of good things. But the trials and errors we've had have resulted in us learning that, in fact, for us to use many of these 'good things', we need to make a few alterations.

That isn't to say 'yay, laboratory modified chemicals are all fine and dandy', because they aren't, always. But lets not forget that we, as tool-using creatures, have throughout our evolution, been forced to find ways to use nature to our advantage, without it killing us. We are not miraculously naturally able to deal with all natural chemicals, we've learnt (and are still learning) how to adapt them to safely make use of them. And we've been doing that since the dawn of time. Every discovery we've made, from the iron age to the creation of of nylon has been a case of taking naturally occurring things and putting them together to make new things.

Sometimes we cock this up. Sometimes we're too clever for our own good. Sometimes, we don't think things through to their ultimate consequences (like plastic, and the fact that, great as it is, it takes thousands of years to biodegrade). But mostly, the original motive isn't a negative one. Even herbicides and pesticides weren't created to poison humanity. It's a negative effect of trying to solve a problem which caused another negative effect.

As JS says, greed and whatnot have resulted in negative effects being ignored, or pushed under the rug in some instances, but that's a far cry from saying that the negative consequences were the original intention.

Thalidomide was not produced to deform babies. That was an unexpected, unforeseen consequence of a drug formulated to treat morning sickness. I wonder if there were any 'evil mastermind' theories surrounding the production of that drug?


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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 12:27 PM
k....where to begin.
little children....when your loved you know it...ya know...?
there's a warm fuzzy feeling that follows you around like home land security. I know you probably dont remember but its true...its true...love is unmistakable.


please pay attention this time...I love you














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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 02:03 PM
SELLING FEAR and FLUORIDE SHIELD



That's a fear sale and all sales people know the value of selling fear. They fabricate fear and then sell potential customers on the idea only their product can protect them. It's obvious Jones is selling fear if you look at a short list of some of his product names, Fluoride Shield, Living Defense, Caveman, Survival Shield, ProstaGuard, Z-shield, Super Male Vitality. And InfoWars uses iodine in their products. In small doses, iodine is slightly toxic and it is highly poisonous in large amounts.

And that's not all. There are other questionable chemicals in his products. Here's an article from October 19, 2017. Alex Jones' Products Found to Contain Dangerous Amounts of Lead. Alt-right Internet personality and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones just can't catch a break these days, can he? Two months ago, Buzzfeed sent a few of the products Jones sells on his site Infowars to an independent lab, and the results were crystal clear: not a single one of the purported medicines, vitamins, or supplements work as advertised. But, several days ago, the news got even worse for Jones and company, because the Center for Environmental Health discovered dangerous levels of lead in two of his products. Yes, lead, in what Jones describes as "an all-natural blend of potent herbs and enzymes." That does not bode well, that does not bode well at all.

What he'll do next is so predictable. Anyone care to place a bet what his defense will be? I?ll bet it will involve Luciferian, tranny-loving, alien globalists and the mind-controlling mass media.

That said, pollution is very real as is climate change.



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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 03:19 PM
selling fear....hm....yes yes I'm familiar with this animality of human nature....and "them" who have perfected its manipulative control. why "we" just sold our sons and daughters futures for generations to come...to save ourselves from certain economic ruin...we had to ...give the billionaires more blood cant you understand that.... ?
How else will we live...who will we listen too...? my Dear fellow guinea pigs please tune into your own mother ship CNN....they have also, probably for some last ditch effort to seem credible....have released a "new" study done on your friend and mine Gomer Fluoride. Surely AC Cooper can convince you if common sense can not. now let us remember who taught us to fear....




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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 03:28 PM
Pass, Alice Cooper Trashes the World.



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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 04:49 PM
I'll bet there's not a trace of lead in Mr Jones' tinfoil hat...

People follow as I go;

Agents, thinking I don't know.

Recording every thing I do;

And sifting through my garbage too.

Neighbours photographing me;

Offload their pictures for a fee.

I'm not unbalanced - no, not that;

Anyone seen my tinfoil hat?




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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 08:03 PM << Modifed October 22 at 8:25PM >>
It truly amazes me that anyone would be a follower of Alex Jones, for he does not exude professionalism nor have a voice that attracts listeners. His platform has no structure just a bunch of diatribe and it is hard to believe the guest is any kind of Dr.

I do not follow him so I am not sure if he touts conspiracy theories or not.

With that being said, I agree and have said that there are many toxic chemicals in nature and truly nature has some very deadly chemicals... and I agree most wholeheartedly that all substances whether from nature or artificial can be extremely toxic in great amounts.

However, we all can go round and round about this subject. We will never truly see eye to eye and that is okay. There is no win/win. This forum is just merely a catalyst for expressing our diversity and why.

As far as selling fear and capitalizing on it, not only is the neutraceutical industry guilty of this infraction but the medical industrial complex has their hands just as dirty if not dirtier.

As far as neutraceuticals they cannot in any way say their products cure anything. It is untrue and I have already explained about bathing your cells in the right nutrients to assist them in many functions.

As for me, I am convinced, not by hearsay, nor infomercials, nor influenced by conspiracy theories, that which I believe about man derived toxic chemicals have no place in our air, our rivers, our oceans, our soil and our food, absolutely no place. I know many of you are not religious or believe in a higher divine intelligence, and that is okay... I get it...I understand it...and I respect your stand.. but I do, I believe in divine intelligence and design. It is because of this, I firmly believe in the grassroots of nature and nature as worthy Medicine. Nature as worthy of sustaining and supporting our incredibly detailed immune system to ward off or defend against many of the maladies man is stricken or bombarded with. The problem is that nature is being dumped on and greatly messed with and thus our health and the eco health from flora, fauna, marine life, microorganisms, and animal life are being sorely compromised, because of man? s careless and greed riddled advancements and investments .

I, also, acknowledge the great strides mankind has made in medicine in regards to trauma and communicable diseases, ( the later a result of colony/ communal living) A sure testament to our incredible thinking and analytical abilities derived from an incredibly organized and complex organ called our brain. Another testament in my humble opinion to divine intelligence... and to make it clear it is my opinion only.

We can debate all day about a plethora of studies or lack thereof proving or disproving the damage, projected damage, probable damage, to all living breathing entities on this earth, every living organism, but why should we toil so? Either you acknowledge the possibility or you do not. It is that simple and truly it has many grey areas.

But at the end of the day, I am responsible and concerned, my utmost priority, about the health and well being of our future generations and their inheritance... this big beautiful planet and all the-variety of beautiful gifts it has to offer... in its varietal, unplundered, natural health state..which in turn dictates the quality of ALL life. It is my responsibility to make my footsteps as clean and light as possible and to take a stand or voice my concern over the senseless rape and pollution of our home called Earth.

I am far from an alarmist but consider myself a realist. And, yes, too me, divine intelligence is as real as it gets,

If this appears as if I have bats in my belfry ( lol) then perhaps it good I have something flying around up there.

Take care everyone.
I appreciate all of you




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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 09:29 PM
Jimi:

For what it's worth, it doesn't appear to me you have bats in the belfry, or even a kangaroo loose in the top paddock. You strike me as being quite normal. Of course appearances can be deceptive - and who really knows here in the online world?

Firstly, I'm interested in the fact that you say your concern for and belief in nature is a result of your belief in a divine intelligence. I commend you for this, but I'm sure you don't think that the latter is a requirement for the former. I suspect that you might actually be in the minority. Even though I haven't gone digging for statistics, I'd put money on the fact the percentage of atheists and agnostics who are "greenies" is greater than conservative Christians.

I think one thing we might be able to agree on is that all of us in this discussion, from whichever perspective we approach it, want the best for our world.

By the way, thank you for referring to the "health and wellbeing" of our future generations, and not using that other abomination of a word which is so popular these days.

I found this particular statement interesting:

"Either you acknowledge the possibility or you do not. It is that simple and truly it has many grey areas."

The first reason I found it interesting is it leads me to believe you aren't from the US - because of the spelling of "grey". I had assumed you were.

More importantly, it reminds me of this statement by Bertrand Russell (I'm paraphrasing, but it will be pretty close):

"A thing is either true or it isn't. If it is true, you should accept it. If it is false, you should reject it. If there is insufficient evidence whether it is true or not, then you should suspend judgement."

Relating this back to the fluoride debate, there is claimed evidence on both sides. When I look at some of the sources for the arguments against, I am extremely dubious - a lot of them really do look like "crackpot" sites. Of course that doesn't mean that somewhere along the line, some of the arguments can't be right. And yes, I acknowledge that there are industry groups who might well have a vested interest in pushing for fluoride.

So, while I might suspect the case for is stronger than the case against, I'm not willing to make a call based on the arguments I'm aware of. But what I will say without hesitation is I don't believe there is some global (or even local) conspiracy to poison the population.

This "grey" you speak of is very important. There is no reason to believe that everything natural is wonderful - nature produces some incredibly potent poisons. Equally, there is no reason to believe that all synthetic materials are evil. My approach is that wherever possible, I'll seek to improve and maintain my health with whatever natural, organic materials can be of assistance. But if I need to take a pill, or have a blood transfusion, I'll gratefully accept what the marvels of modern science can offer.





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RE: Water
Reply on October 22, 2017 10:04 PM << Modifed October 22 at 10:39PM >>
Thank you CD,

Actually I am from Texas, born and hell raised!!

We all have to accept that the natural vs synthetic chemical debate is not a black vs white issue, and it is actually a complicated and massive ( gray)matter. Both natural and synthetic chemicals need to be considered on a case by case basis for our personal health, whether it?s a drug, a food additive, or the pesticides being used on our crops.

With that being said, again thank you CD. And I have no idea how it which way to spell grey or gray!!

And you are probably right about greenies! As for believe in the natural,
it is also through my hungry thirst for how the natural world works which further cements my perception of divine intelligence and its role in life (all living organisms) And I am not so certain that Taurus physics is far fetched and far out of line. I did finally watch one of recons videos, though I admit not all the way through, but it was extremely interesting. Extremely. At least the part I had watched.

You know last year I had hip replacement due to a severe fall many years before. I know this sounds far fetched, but many, many times I feel an almost like tuning fork vibration sensation in my hip. And it buzzes all the way down my leg. I have discovered these moments are when I am close to power highways. It becomes intense and others it is right when my cell phone rings. It?s very strange but it tells me we are not only energy but external influences definitely affect our systems. Lol, now you might change your mind about my lunacy..

   
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