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What is this site for?

   Thread Started October 4 at 7:05PM

I'm frustrated because I inadvertently hurt someone's feelings because I'm going to review using the 'star system' the way it is meant to be used.

I started adding the definition of the stars to my signatures on reviews, and I've given folks the reasons why I assigned the rating I did.

I've gotten a little bit of flack, but nothing I really didn't expect. But, now I have a little old lady that thinks I'm mean and I told her I don't care about how her day is. NO - I told her that her 'writing' wasn't structured correctly.

*sign*

This is my disclaimer I'm adding to reviews:
~patty~
I'm getting a bit stingier with stars. Some of us are doing our best to make the rating system fairer. If you give everyone a '5,' and you only have six '6s,' then some of the people getting fives aren't being judged fairly.

****** (6) stars = EXCEPTIONALLY OUTSTANDING
***** (5) stars = EXCELLENT (Enjoyable to read and NO errors)
****(4) stars = GOOD (Adjustments Needed)
*** (3) stars = Below Average
** (2) stars = BELOW AVG (Needs work)
* (1) star = POOR (MAJOR Revisions needed)


Maybe its time to leave the site and concentrate on my writing - I just don't know,
~patty~


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RE: What is this site for?

Reply on October 4, 2017 07:16 PM

Patty,

Leaving FS to focus on your writing is, or would be, an awesome 'thing' to do.

However, please don't allow reviewers to make up your mind for you.

An honest review should be welcomed. If not, then it is THEIR problem.





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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:28 PM << Modifed October 4 at 7:29PM >>
Patty, reviewing is really quite difficult and particularly given the diversity of skill level among the membership. To review poetry for example one needs to know the different kinds of metres, iambic, trochaic, mixed metre, etc. The many poetic forms such as the sonnet, haiku, ballad, and then difference between pure rhymes, slant rhymes, assonance, consonance, literary devices, etc and then there are rules particular to FanStory. lol. Those are the most fun.

My best recommendation to you is to read some of the reviews written by Recognized Reviewers, such Rama Devi, Turtle, Jay Squires and see how they compose their comments. They are the gold star reviewers.

Anyway let me know what you think. Reviewing is writing in a different form and it's well worth the effort learning how to. :))



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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:32 PM
Hi Gloria;
I do read the reviews by the gold star reviewers, and I have learned a great deal from them. I'm struggling with the notion some people have about FanStory being a 'vanity site,' and I would like to see more honest reviewing.

I've done a great deal of studying poetic forms, and I'm the first to admit I do not totally understand meter, so I'm taking a class.

We are here to hone our craft, right?

~patty~


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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:39 PM << Modifed October 4 at 7:44PM >>
I think people are here for many different reasons and for many it's primarily social. And I've given reviewing a LOT of thought over my six years here and have come to the conclusion the ranking/rating system shakes out in a different way as it is impossible to review "fairly".

I've seen exceptional work receive one star reviews because the reviewer didn't read the contest rules. I've been on the receiving end of plenty of nonsense reviews such as a two star because my black font on a white background didn't thrill the reviewer, or a one star review because I didn't capitalize the first letters of the first words of my haiku, which they aren't supposed to be.

That said, I think revisiting the subject of reviewing is a great idea. :))






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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:43 PM
yes, Gloria...it definitely is an idea to revisit the reviewing issue.

I think I may write an essay on it, and actually post it on the site instead of putting it out for those on the Forum to read and comment, if they desire.

Right now, I'm just fuming because I was accused of being 'mean' and must not have a happy life - so that I want to bring others down. I WANT TO BUILD THEM UP by helping them with the tools of writing!

Rant over


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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:46 PM
Hehe. I'm positive you're not mean.

Yes excellent idea to post your essay and open it up for discussion here.

I look forward to it. :))

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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:47 PM
hi. I'm also a recognized reviewer with the gold stars,it's just that I don't bother to review much anymore. Patty, if you are here to improve your work and help others who want to improve their work, then you're doing the right thing. If you review a piece, and the member objects and is rude, report them to site administration. I sure would. We don't have to put up with this, and people are not supposed to defend their work or argue with the reviewer.

As far as leaving, that's up to you. Gloria is right that people are here for many reasons, and not everybody appreciates constructive criticism. They just want to tell the other members that their dog died, or to post something/anything. If you going to review, you can't let that bother you. As reviewers, we don't know which members are serious writers.

As a recognized reviewer, I have one suggestion to make: avoid the use of you/your. Keep your focus on the actual story or poem, and say something like this is a great piece, but I noticed that it needs a little help regarding X. please understand that my intention is to help you improve your craft.

Something like that.


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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:53 PM
That sounds like a wonderful suggestion, Nor. It is so hard to know who is super sensitive. I've found myself just hitting 'skip' when I see egregious errors.

I think I'm getting a bit thin-skinned myself,

~patty~

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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:54 PM
and being told that you are mean is just not acceptable. It's a personal attack.I have been told that I wasn't fit to review someone's work. Well, that certainly isn't so. I reported them to Tom, and muted them so they couldn't give me a revenge review. There are many people who will appreciate a positive critique of their work, but there are many people who have received nothing but five and six star reviews and don't understand that this is a writing site. It isn't Facebook.

In the real world, Patty, publishing houses can be even ruder. You need to develop a thick skin and not let these people get to you. A friend of mine submitted a manuscript to a famous agent,, and he returned it with the personal notation: This is crap.


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RE: What is this site for?
Reply on October 4, 2017 07:59 PM
yeah...I've been on the receiving end of many rude responses from editors, agents, and publishing houses.

Its taken years to hone my writing to where it is. I'm proud of it, and I would like to know a '5' means EXCELLENT, and not just the status quo.

I did take your advice and sent a note to Tom. Being called 'mean' is bad enough, but the posted poem about mean people was a bit over the top

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